[MD] Fw: The Quality of Free Will

[Ham Priday]

Dear Marsha --


> Greetings Ham,
>
> I am unsure how to understand the portion of the post addressed to me.
> For me, the MoQ is Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience).
> Static quality represents the conventional; patterns are "conventionally" 
> real.
> No nihilism.

You say Quality consists of "unpatterned experience" and "patterned 
experience".
What is "unpatterned" experience and how is it experienced?  As I understand 
the MoQ, it is Dynamic Quality which is undefinable because it cannot be 
experienced.

Surely you must realize that ALL experience is "patterned", since it is the 
configuration or form of the object that makes it experienceable in the 
first place.  So, unless you define abstract thoughts or emotional feelings 
as experience, "pure, undifferentiated Quality" is an insensible euphemism. 
There is no epistemological justification for non-realizable experience. 
Which is to say, there is no such thing as Quality or Value or Morality or 
Virtue in itself, independent of relational apprehension.

You are perpetrating a fallacy conjured up by Pirsig.  Although I've 
repeatedly stated that "unrealized value" is an oxymoron, it seems to have 
fallen on deaf ears.  Existential (i.e., objective) reality may be 
considered qualitative or valuistic only to the extent that it is 
consciously experienced in relation to what is not.  Again, it is the 
sensible agent which is the (valuistic) measure of all things.

On 7/29 I said: It is the conscious Self which brings Value into being.

You replied::
> It is static value that brings into existence the Self.
> I am not rejecting this convention; it is what it is.

You may call that assertion a "convention" -- sure, it's RMP's convention --  
but it makes no sense by the epistemology I've laid out above.

You also insist there is no quandary in your ontology.  Yet when you take 
the position that you neither accept nor reject Free Will, that your self is 
only a convention, and that your reality is but "a collection of 
ever-changing, interrelated, impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, 
biological, social and intellectual value in a field of Dynamic Quality, 
there is NO locus of control," it's obvious to me that you are a walking 
quandary in need of some rational structuring to release you from your cloud 
of unreality.

There is more to life than this.  Get REAL, girl!

--Ham