[MD] Straw Men and the Primacy of Trust

Matt Kundert pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
Sun Jul 31 11:28:26 PDT 2011


Hi, Michael R. Brown,

I think I have to differ with you on that particular use of the term 
"irony" (of which history has thrown up many uses, and as a budding 
literary critic, I have some professional horses in the game).  The 
inconsistency you performed (or, at least, I saw as being performed) 
was of a particular kind: an inconsistency between word and deed.  
Irony, at its most basic level, is typically defined as "saying one thing 
and meaning another."  What I saw happening was of the form 
"saying one thing and doing another."  As sayings are particular 
kinds of doings, I don't think its a misuse to say that one's actions 
can be ironic, though the cases of these ironies are typically 
unintentional, and so more like tragic irony (also an old, established 
form).

Not to need to be too right about it,

Matt

> From: mrb at fuguewriter.com
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:37:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MD] Straw Men and the Primacy of Trust
> 
> Hi, Matt Kundert -
> 
> I'll enjoy reading through your recommended writings in a bit.
> 
> There's no irony whatsoever. Modern misuse of the term. You mean 
> inconsistency, and there's not: I'm, just as you said, from the outside, 
> coming in anew, and goggling a bit at what there is to see.
> 
> 
> MRB
> http://www.fuguewriter.com 
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