[MD] Keep on duckin'

[MarshaV]

Greetings John,  

My house guest left this morning.  It was a nice visit, but the 
quiet now seems lovely.  -  What is Williston, North Dakota 
like?  Any photos?   



On May 29, 2011, at 7:00 PM, John Carl wrote:

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> 
> Marsha:
> 
> You can present your argument again, but in the past it didn't resonate
> 
> as correct to my experience.  I seem to remember you trying to link the
> 
> I-level to art.
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> 
> Yes.  That I have done and will do.  'Tis the key to the whole shootin'
> match, imo. the self-reflection of consciousness through the mechanism of
> the bifurcated brain.  The key to self realization is a self with two
> aspects which can reflect each other and thus intellectually know.

Marsha:
I don't understand your explanation, and it doesn't seem to be MoQ 
based.  Why bifurcation?  


> 
> Marsha:
> 
> RMP has stated that art is a mixture of all four levels with
> 
> Dynamic Quality.  That works for me.
> 
> 
> 
> John:
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> 
> Art is always a realization.  We interpret that patterning we deem artistic,
> and it's as high-order processing as any merely intellectual enterprise.  At
> the roots, rationality is an art.  A certain aesthetic dictated the
> decisions of logic, consistency and coherence that pleased people.  Liking
> something because its popular is society's training, but creating and
> recognizing an aesthetic experience because it speaks to us of something
> inside, that I term 4th level experience.  It's more than intellect can
> encapsulate, which is why I don't like the term "intellectual" for the 4th
> level and feel the 4th level should explicitly be known as a dualistic level
> - a romantic/classic fusion of art and science together, in the same room,
> sharing the same bed.  That's my opinion.

Marsha:
Again, I don't really understand your explanation.  I do, though, like the talk 
of  fusion and sharing the same bed.  Very romantic...  


> 
> Marsha:
> 
> 
> Maybe you understand it related
> 
> to the intellectual level because your art is words.  My definition of the
> 
> Intellectual Level as being made up of som patterns seems best from
> 
> my point-of-view, while art is all levels with the spontaneous dynamic
> 
> guiding the way.
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> 
> Well, as to my art being words... I'll agree to an extent.  It's what I care
> about most deeply of all expression.  On many levels, true.  But that's my
> expression.  My appreciation knows no such boundaries.  Music, images and
> feelings bound up with both, intertwined with words and concepts, impact my
> life and my meanings, even when I don't express myself along those lines
> well, I hear and understand on those lines just fine and I think
> appreciation makes us just as much "artistic" as does craft and ability.
> 
> 
> But I admit the freedom to see things our own way is fundamental.  For
> instance, I was walking down the street today and I saw two squirrels,
> running round and round and round a tree and I thought to myself, "how do
> they know who is chasing who?, and whether they are circling the tree, or is
> the tree encircling them?"  And then they stopped running and one of them
> started humping the other and I knew, which one was chasing which.  And I
> thought to myself, if W. James had seen TWO squirrels, he might have come up
> with a better metaphysics.

Marsha:  
Who was on top?   Awww, poor squirrels probably don't get much choice.  ;-)   





 
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