[MD] The reification issue completely misunderstood

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Hi Dan,
Thank you for your hard work and devotion to this metaphysics.
Mark

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On Jun 3, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bo said to dmb:
>> So, it's my assertion that the MOQ's DQ/SQ is how reality is which is the grievance (and what reification means)? However it is was Phaedrus' mission to replace the S/O monster that has been (Western Culture's) scourge for so long and had kept us under its S/O spell and closed us off from the real objective experience. Sentenced us to eternal imprisonment within our subjective max-security jail.   And does DMB in ernest think that the MOQ is a mere reiteration of SOM? That its DQ/SQ arrangement is just another abstraction of concrete reality? Huh? Wasn't it Pirsig who set out to give the Western Culture reality back? ...[insults deleted]
>> 
>> 
>> dmb says:
>> Apologies to Horse for dragging Bo's words into this forum. The quote from Bo is such a neat piece of evidence that I couldn't resist. Sorry and I promise not to make a habit of it.
>> MOQers, please notice that Bo really does not understand what reification means and instead of addressing the objection I've posed, he simply re-asserts the same error. The MOQ's static-Dynamic distinction is not just an abstract idea, it's how reality is, he says. If the DQ/sq split is just another abstraction, he says, then the MOQ is a mere reiteration of SOM. In several different ways, Bo quite adamantly asserts that the MOQ is the food and not the menu. This is what reification means. Of course this is exactly the opposite of what Pirsig actually says and so Bo has to insult the author, which I deleted, and dismiss his second book, which is the more philosophically serious book....
> 
> Hi David, Marsha, Bo (if you're listening),
> 
> I've just completed re-doing the e-version of LILA'S CHILD... cleaning
> up the html and fixing some mistakes... and it was such a joy to read
> Bodvar's old posts again from the early days of the Lila Squad. He
> really had some amazing insights to share with the group; it's truly a
> shame he got stuck in the SOM as Quality's intellect gumption trap
> like he did. He used to be one of the MOQ's biggest defenders.
> 
> What happened?
> 
> I don't know.
> 
> I've never understood what Marsha has been on about with her
> reification, either. It always seemed like a thinly-veiled attempt at
> re-introducing SOM as intellect, and why anyone would want to
> perpetuate such a ludicrous notion is beyond me. I don't have an
> academic degree nor am I likely to any time soon, but I do know what
> Quality is, and that isn't it.
> 
> Anyhow, the updated version of LILA'S CHILD is available on Amazon.com
> now if anyone is interested.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Dan
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