[MD] The other side of reified

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Hi Marsha,
Is gravitation a process?

Mark

On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:58 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> On Jun 5, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Mary wrote:
> 
>> [dmb]
>> You can't say that reification is "interdependent with the conceptualization
>> process" or simply "conceptualization reifies" AND also say that concepts
>> are necessary to act in the world.
>> 
>> [Mary]
>> Why not?
>> 
>> The human brain is nothing more than the product of the evolution of
>> Pirsig's static patterns of value.  Static patterns of value interact with
>> one another in static ways.  It would be a leap to expect the static brain
>> to function in a non-static way, would it not?  Conceptualization is no
>> doubt a high quality STATIC pattern of value.  It is a useful and necessary
>> tool for interacting with other static patterns.  It does not follow that it
>> would be necessary for it to develop transcendence.  If it were even a
>> "tendency" of the human mind to flexibly transcend the static, then DQ would
>> not be undefined.  Capisce? 
>> 
> 
> HI Mary,
> 
> Here is my (conventional/static) definition of static patterns of value:
> 
>    Static patterns of value are processes: impermanent, 
>    interdependent, ever-changing. (Not objects. Not subjects.  
>    Not things-in-themselves.)  Overlapping, interconnected, 
>    ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend to persist 
>    and change within a stable, predictable pattern.   
> 
> Here's my (conventional/static) definition of reification:  
> 
>    Reification means treating any functioning phenomenon 
>    as if it were a real, permanent 'thing', rather than an 
>    impermanent process."
> 
> Reification represents how the common man, and many scientists, 
> academics and even philosophers conceptualize.  It evolved as a tool to 
> facilitate some kind of betterness.  But it is flawed and of course the MoQ 
> and help rectify the flaw.  I have suggested that reification is either a part 
> of the conceptualization process, or that there is a interdependency 
> between conceptualization and reification.   
> 
> But, of course, you are correct Mary.  Both 'conceptualization' and  
> 'reification' are static patterns of value, conventional (relative) truths. 
> 
> 
> Marsha  
> 
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