[MD] The reification issue completely misunderstood

[Joseph Maurer]

On 6/8/11 4:43 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> The dynamic does not manifest, it IS.

Hi Mark,

I suppose there can be an unmanifest dynamic, but then how would I know?
> 
> Words are useless in terms of the dynamic as you have correctly pointed out.
> 
> If you take away words and the sense of other, you are left with DQ.  This is
> where we live most of the time.  It is only in a societal function that we
> live in sq.
>
> Mark

I don't agree with your view of view DQ.  I prefer to leave it indefinable!
In that way I don't have to compare it to words.  I'm not clear on what you
mean by a 'societal function'.

Joe 

> On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/7/11 3:15 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Joe,
>>> I am not sure what words are manifestation of.  Perhaps you mean the static.
>>> As it turns out, words help create the static.
>>> 
>>> Before we learn words, we live in dynamic quality.  Another creator of the
>>> static is our comparison to others.  This creates the static self.  This is
>>> a
>>> "manifestation" of the societal level.  This is created by the sense of
>>> "other", which happens at different ages.  The "terrible twos" is a
>>> representation of such awareness.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark and All,
>> 
>> I agree words create the static as well as sounds and gestures.  Can the
>> dynamic manifest before words?  Yes!  Sounds and gestures also point to the
>> dynamic as well as words. Communication is possible in a DQ/SQ metaphysical
>> description of reality in many ways.
>> 
>> How do you know that before we learn words we live in a DQ/SQ environment
>> since dynamic quality is indefinable?  We experience dynamic quality through
>> (? Etc,) sounds and gestures as well as words.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/5/11 3:49 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>> Quite the contrary, it is words that are soporific.  Words entrap one into
>>>>> the
>>>>> static.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> Words are a manifestation.  You have to be already trapped to manifest in a
>>>> soporific mode.
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/5/11 7:26 AM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:56 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:33 PM, 118 wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>>>>>> Yes, and Buddha claimed to be a common man, first.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My question to you is: Taking out who you list below, who is left?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> An answer:  There is some experience of being awake.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [Mark]
>>>>>>> Yes, Buddha was certainly "awake".  He help many others wake up during
>>>>>>> his lifetime.  I think that much of this is relegating static quality
>>>>>>> to the social level of words.
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess deaf mutes are forbidden the social level, and cannot be awake!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2011, at 10:18 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2011, at 12:46 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> And yet Marsha says she hates reification and loves Bo.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>>>>> I neither hate reification, nor love Bo, as you state it.   I already
>>>>>>>>>> stated:  Reification represents how the common man and many
>>>>>>>>>> scientists,
>>>>>>>>>> academics and even philosophers think.  It evolved as tool to
>>>>>>>>>> facilitate
>>>>>>>>>> some kind of betterness.  But it is flawed and of course the MoQ can
>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>> rectify the flaw.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually, I love all, even you, can you believe it...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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