[MD] Free Will

[Steve Peterson]

I know full well and never said that DMb believes in an omniscient superbeing. My point of course is that I can't see why anyone who does not believe in such a being would think predetermination is a real issue.



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On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:41 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> You left off your last statement the "You freakin weasel" part., which was way out of proportion.  Now your neglecting to include the last statement is even more ironic, but not surprising.   Here's the entire quote:   
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> On Jun 23, 2011, at 12:22 PM, david buchanan wrote:
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> James and I are imagining an omniscient super-being? Huh?
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> I don't expect all that much from you, Steve, but I didn't think you'd stoop so low. My main argument has been that freedom and constraint are both real because both are known in experience. Super-beings, whatever that's supposed to mean, don't have anything to do with it. I would accuse you of misconstruing my position but that would be too generous. You're just making stuff up, probably to avoid the burden of addressing the actual argument. You freakin weasel.          
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> On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:29 PM, david buchanan wrote:
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>> Hey Steve, here is one example wherein I complained about your tactics precisely because they spoiled any chance of having a real conversation. I accused you of inventing the omniscient super-being, the one that supposedly keeps me and James awake at night. (James hasn't had any concerns for over a hundred years, of course.) If you make stuff up instead of disagreeing with the things I actually said, then isn't fair to say your tactics have spoiled the conversation? I think it's more than fair.
>> As you can probably see, I'm only pressing this point again because Marsha re-posted these earlier complaints. How you get irony out of this is a mystery to me because I think it clearly shows that my complaints are valid and that your tactics are bogus. Your comments can only be justified if you have a legitimate reason to believe that I was pressing an omniscient super-being. I'm sure you have no evidence of that because there isn't any evidence of that. And so it's more than fair to say you're making stuff up and then attributing it to me. And since that's the case, who is the offended party?
>> It's like you want me to apologize for saying "ouch" too loudly when you stepped on my foot.
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>>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 12:22 PM, david buchanan wrote:
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>>>> Then there is the issue of _pre_determination which I think is only a concern if you imagine an omniscient super-being, but it still manages to keep James and dmb awake at night.
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>>>> James and I are imagining an omniscient super-being? Huh?
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>>>> I don't expect all that much from you, Steve, but I didn't think you'd stoop so low. My main argument has been that freedom and constraint are both real because both are known in experience. Super-beings, whatever that's supposed to mean, don't have anything to do with it. I would accuse you of misconstruing my position but that would be too generous. You're just making stuff up, probably to avoid the burden of addressing the actual argument. 
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