[MD] desires

[MarshaV]

On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Dan Glover wrote:

> 
>> Marsha:
>> Except for the wish to become enlightened, the Buddha has said that
>> desire is the source of all suffering.  I suppose I needed to work this out
>> for myself, because desire has culturally been labeled good.  Maybe
>> it is more about en-joying the moment.
> 
> Dan:
> I'd say that there is no enlightenment other than that which we
> already have, so to wish for it is to wish for... what?

Marsha:
Maybe a wish would be to have the vail of illusion lifted.  


> Looking at suffering, it seems that without it there would be no
> evolution, no need for "betterment." Therefore, within the framework
> of the MOQ, suffering is seen as the negative face of Quality.

Yes, within the framework of the MoQ what you say is correct, but 
then that framework is an analogy.   


> Now, if desire were the source of all suffering, then the desire for
> good food to eat and clean water to drink would make no sense. A
> person could just as well eat out of garbage cans and drink from the
> toilet. Of course we all know we'd soon sicken and die if we engaged
> in such practices.

Nourishing food and clean water are biological requirements. I was 
thinking more of desires of the social/intellectual type.  


> So some desires do not give rise to suffering but rather prevent it.
> Wouldn't you agree?

No.  It's not so simple since I was raised, indoctrinated,  to desire, and 
have had to unlearn many such habits.  This might point back to having 
the vail of illusion lifted.


> Thank you,
> 
> Dan

Thank you.

Marsha


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