[MD] MOQ and Completeness Theories (Sorry, Godel.)

[Andre Broersen]

Arlo to dmb (and John):

This is often the case with schizophrenics. So "negative quality" is a hypothetical awareness that where there is an absence of Quality we would not want there to be Quality.

But this is much different than the notion of something, like a hot stove, having "negative quality" in the sense that it is a "bad" experience.

Andre:
Hello Gents. I remembered Pirsig saying something about this and finally found it. It is placed in the (Buddhist)context of 'suffering'. Pirsig says:
'The suffering which the Buddhists regard as only that which is to be escaped, is seen by the MOQ as merely the negative side of the progression toward Quality (or,just as accurately, the expansion of quality). Without the suffering to propel it, the cart ('The MOQ sees the wheel of karma as attached to a cart that is going somewhere-...') would not move forward at all.(Anthony's textbook, p 114)

This is, of course right in line with what dmb says:
'Also, I think it doesn't matter much whether we describe this motive as moving toward the good or
away from the bad because the movement is toward betterness either way. In that sense, Quality
does have a direction. It can push or pull, depending on how you want to describe the situation'.

In this way the MOQ may be seen as a 'modern day development of Zen Buddhist philosophy by placing it within an evolutionary context, something of which they had little idea/evidence of in 6th century B.C. India.

I also hope that those posters on this discuss who keep on getting confused (and in some cases reject the notion of Quality because Pirsig has suggested it is 'Good') may appreciate this more 'expanded' perspective.

Kind regards.