[MD] desires

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
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>> Hello everyone
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>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:14 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> Greetings Dan,
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> That's interesting but I have a very different interpretation of a static pattern of value.
> To start with a pattern is not just one occurrence.  It is not an independent event,
> but, using chair as an example, related to your past history with the chair-pattern;
> it also is dependent on immediate sensory experience with the chair, and possible
> some future expectation for this chair.

Hi Marsha

What chair are we talking about? Some mythical magical chair existing
in the same realm as the tree falling in the forest with no one
around? What chair?

Marsha:
Besides this, it has an interdependence with
> all other chair events both inside and outside the immediate culture and with the
> events across all cultures and all languages in all contexts through all time.
> In other words, a chair-pattern for me can best  be represented by all that is
> opposite-from-non-chair.  This would likewise hold for the justice-pattern,
> wood-pattern, leg-pattern, or a zebra-pattern.  A chair-pattern event could not
> encompass the entire pattern, but includes only those bits and pieces that are
> significant to the event.

Dan:
Well, to my mind, the MOQ states that a chair, like anything else, is
composed of patterns of value. What do you mean by
"chair-pattern-event"? I don't recognize that as a viable term within
the MOQ.

>Marsha:
> If the chair-pattern is represented only by the chair you are sitting on, then how
> do you recognize it as a  chair?

Dan:
You asked "How are static patterns of value "defined and discrete"?

I used my chair as an example of a static pattern of value and how it
is defined and discrete. I didn't intend my chair to represent all
chairs... it is an analogy. I recognize it as a chair as I am immersed
in the 21st century Western culture and I know (as I assume you do
too) what an office chair is. I answered you questions to the best of
my ability within the framework of the MOQ, not from my own
perspective.

On a side note, I get the feeling you are playing games here again but
I will give you the benefit of the doubt. For now.


Marsha:
Certainly not by some Platonic ideal form, or a
> master-definition found is some encyclopedia or dictionary.  For me 'chair' is
> a name given to an accumulation of useful value (events) that tends to persist
> and change in a predictable pattern.

Dan:

I've searched my copy of LILA and found no mention of value events. I
think this is misleading and confusing.

> .Marsha:
> From my point-of-view, my interpretation makes more sense, so I guess we
> have different concepts of static patterns of value.

Dan:

I guess we do have different concepts, but the question is, which is
more in line with the MOQ?

Thank you,

Dan