[MD] desires

[MarshaV]

On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Dan Glover wrote:

> Hello everyone
> 
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:14 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> That's interesting but I have a very different interpretation of a static pattern of value.
>> To start with a pattern is not just one occurrence.  It is not an independent event,
>> but, using chair as an example, related to your past history with the chair-pattern;
>> it also is dependent on immediate sensory experience with the chair, and possible
>> some future expectation for this chair.
> 
> Dan:
> What chair are we talking about? Some mythical magical chair existing
> in the same realm as the tree falling in the forest with no one
> around? What chair?

Marsha:
There is only static patterns of value and dynamic quality.  For me 'chair' is 
a name given to an accumulation of useful value (events) that tends to persist 
and change in a predictable pattern. 


> Marsha:
> Besides this, it has an interdependence with
>> all other chair events both inside and outside the immediate culture and with the
>> events across all cultures and all languages in all contexts through all time.
>> In other words, a chair-pattern for me can best  be represented by all that is
>> opposite-from-non-chair.  This would likewise hold for the justice-pattern,
>> wood-pattern, leg-pattern, or a zebra-pattern.  A chair-pattern event could not
>> encompass the entire pattern, but includes only those bits and pieces that are
>> significant to the event.
> 
> Dan:
> Well, to my mind, the MOQ states that a chair, like anything else, is
> composed of patterns of value. What do you mean by
> "chair-pattern-event"? I don't recognize that as a viable term within
> the MOQ.

Marsha:
Quality is about experience, process or stream of events.   I understand a 
pattern of value to be an accumulation of useful value (events) that tends to persist 
and change in a predictable pattern. 


>> Marsha:
>> If the chair-pattern is represented only by the chair you are sitting on, then how
>> do you recognize it as a  chair?
> 
> Dan:
> You asked "How are static patterns of value "defined and discrete"?
> 
> I used my chair as an example of a static pattern of value and how it
> is defined and discrete. I didn't intend my chair to represent all
> chairs... it is an analogy. I recognize it as a chair as I am immersed
> in the 21st century Western culture and I know (as I assume you do
> too) what an office chair is. I answered you questions to the best of
> my ability within the framework of the MOQ, not from my own
> perspective.

Marsha:
My understanding has you overlaying onto your experience the pattern 
of a chair which allows you to state that you recognized, within your 
21 century Western culture, a chair.  -  You understanding of the MoQ is 
YOUR perspective.  


> On a side note, I get the feeling you are playing games here again but
> I will give you the benefit of the doubt. For now.


Marsha:
I presented my understanding of static patterns of value.  While I find your 
rejection interesting, it doesn't change my understanding.  

Thank you for the gracious "benefit of the doubt."  I am NOT playing games,
but presenting how I understand static patterns of value, and that is not as 
a discrete object, but as static patterns of value overlaid on to immediate 
experience.


> Marsha:
> Certainly not by some Platonic ideal form, or a
>> master-definition found is some encyclopedia or dictionary.  For me 'chair' is
>> a name given to an accumulation of useful value (events) that tends to persist
>> and change in a predictable pattern.
> 
> Dan:
> 
> I've searched my copy of LILA and found no mention of value events. I
> think this is misleading and confusing.

I mean events as a series comprising a process/experience.  



>> .Marsha:
>> From my point-of-view, my interpretation makes more sense, so I guess we
>> have different concepts of static patterns of value.
> 
> Dan:
> 
> I guess we do have different concepts, but the question is, which is
> more in line with the MOQ?


Marsha:
That sounds like you are looking for an absolute.  I am not.  I think all static 
patterns of value, even those in the MoQ, are ever-changing and interdependent, 
and one might always be able to deepen one's understanding. 


Many thanks Dan.   


Regards,   

Marsha



 
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