[MD] desires

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> dmb said to Marsha:
> ... describing static patterns as "ever-changing" is about as wrong as it gets.
> John replied:
> Absolutely every single particle of this cosmos in which we dwell, IS ever-changing, shifting and becoming something different through time.  And even our ideas about it evolve and shift, so those aren't absolute neither. In fact, I thought this was your big bugaboo against idealism's postulation of an absolute?  That there ain't no such animal.  Isn't that a given?
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> dmb says:
> Huh? Your comments make Absolutely no sense. What kind of reasoning does it take to construe complaints about the improper use of the english language as an assertion of some Absolute? Not only does the latter fail to follow from the former, they're not even remotely related. I was quoting James, Pirsig and the dictionary, not Hegel or Plato, to show how other speakers of english use the terms in question.
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> And the larger point here, in case you missed it, is that we cannot have any kind of successful communication without a certain stability of meaning. And in this case we are talking about the MOQ first distinction. Who could possibly deny that it is bad to be confused about these central terms? Who thinks it's helpful or useful to use definitions that are opposite from the one commonly used by Pirsig, James and english dictionaries?
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> Like I said, this doesn't even rise to the level of a philosophical discussion. It's just about thinking and talking badly. It's about ruining the possibility of any real communication. We trade in words and ideas here and so this is NOT nit picking about typos or spelling errors. To misconstrue the basic meaning of these terms is intellectually paralyzing. When confused concepts are being used at that basic level, the conversation is going nowhere fast.

Hi David

I agree with you. I've been over this with John before but I don't
think he ever really got it. At least not so that I can see in reading
his posts.

This discussion group is centered around the MOQ and therefore we need
to be precise in using terms consistent with it. Otherwise, we are
just telling each other stories. Like you said, it is about more than
typos or spelling errors... we all commit those from time to time; I
forget to use my spellchecker all the time. Still, by participating
here, we have an obligation to the MOQ and to be precise with the
terms used therein.

It's only natural to disagree about some things but there are certain
basic meanings and common denominators within the MOQ to which we need
to adhere, otherwise confusion arises. Dynamic and static quality are
certainly two terms that deserve clarity. Mixing and matching them
does no one any good.

Thank you,

Dan