[MD] desires

Andre Broersen andrebroersen at gmail.com
Mon Mar 21 09:39:07 PDT 2011


John to Andre:
Maybe I should have said, 'in the entire universe' or 'all of creation' 
so you'd more fully get the gist of my point'

Andre:
Well, this does make a heck of a difference John. To equate 'in all of 
experience' with 'in the entire universe' or 'all of creation' it seems 
to me you are also, like Marsha equating DQ with sq. Are they, for you 
interchangeable a well? Just to be clear about what the MOQ is saying is 
that the experience comes first. Ideas/conceptualizations of 'universe' 
and 'creation' are abstracted afterwards as stable intellectual patterns 
of value.

John:

The dynamic nature of all reality is not a fallacy, Andre. It's just the way things are.  What I call fallacy is the rigid constructions of small-minded control freaks who want to freeze conceptualizations and keep them in their hip pocket and beat others over the head with their homophiliac urges.

Andre:
'Homophiliac urges'?, 'small-minded control freaks'?, 'freeze conceptualizations'? woaw, those are a mouthful John.. hope you liked spouting and swallowing it as well.

You know that Pirsig equates Quality with Reality, with experience. Yes, this is dynamic, undifferentiated, mystical.
He makes the first metaphysical slice thus; DQ/sq. Pirsig recognizes that the world, i.e our conventional reality, manifests elements of both the static and the Dynamic:
'Static quality patterns are dead when they are exclusive, when they demand blind obedience and suppress Dynamic change. But static patterns, nevertheless, provide a necessary stabilizing force to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration. Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other'. (LILA, p124)

The 'dynamic nature of all reality' is a fallacy John. If it is only dynamic it degenerates. You must have stability i.e. sq to preserve advances/insights gained. Needles to say I mean everyday, lived reality: DQ/sq.

Hope the truck you're gonna drive is composed of stable patterns.







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