[MD] [Bulk] Re: desires

[MarshaV]

On Mar 22, 2011, at 8:27 PM, X Acto wrote:

> 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:
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>>> Andre:
>>> In trying to defend yourself you're playing with words again Marsha...
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> And you're playing with a different set of words.
>> 
>> In my understanding, sq is not other than DQ(Quality), or put another way: 
>> the patterned is not other than the unpatterned.      
>> 
>> 
>> Ron:
>> This truth should be at the root of all meaning, but when it becomes dogma
>> it champions and glorifies meaningless-ness undercutting Pirsigs MoQ.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Marsha:
> 
> There is just as much dogma in insisting that it is as in insisting that it 
> isn't; 
> 
> therefore, the answer is yes, no and all of the above.  
> 
> 
> Pirsig:
> "Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other.
> If one inserts this concept into a case such as that of the brujo in Zuni,
>  one can see the truth of it. Although the Dynamic brujo and the static 
> priests who tortured him appeared to be mortal enemies, they were actually 
> necessary to each other. Both types of people had to exist. If most of Zuni 
> went around drunk and bragging and looking in windows, that ancient way of 
> life could never have lasted. But without wild, disreputable outcasts like 
> the brujo, ready to seize on any new outside idea and bring it into the 
> community, Zuni would have been too inflexible to survive. A tension between 
> these two forces is needed to continue the evolution of life.
> The beauty of that old Indian, Phaedrus thought, is that he seemed to have 
> understood this. He wasn't interested in just knocking things down and 
> walking off into the sunset with some kind of a moral victory. The old 
> priestly ways would have come back and all his suffering would have been
>  wasted. He didn't do that. He stayed around the rest of his life, became 
> a part of the static pattern of the tribe, and lived to see his reforms 
> become a part of the tribe's ongoing culture.
> Slowly at first, and then with increasing awareness that he was going in a
>  right direction, Phaedrus' central attention turned away from any further 
> explanation of Dynamic Quality and turned toward the static patterns 
> themselves."
> -Lila chptr 9
> 
> Ron:
> So instead of trying to walk off into the sunset with some kind of moral 
> victory,
> perhaps with increasing awareness, you should turn towards static patterns.
> 

Marsha:
What could such advice represent but your own unfounded projections.  I am 
a flow of bits and pieces of ever-changing, interdependent, inorganic, biological,
social and intellectual static patterns of value entangled within a field of DQ.  I
am nothing but static quality, but perhaps without the social responsibility of family 
obligations and having read ZMM & LILA, I am more able to explore the uncertainty 
of DQ, or maybe not.  The words I write are not absolute, but represent a few moments 
in time.