[MD] MOQ and Gödel's incompleteness theorems

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Ham and all,

For me the "subjective self" is a stone wall that falls on words.

Joe

On 3/23/11 10:49 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> 
> I don't know if your query was directed to me because you've found my my
> writing obtuse.  This criticism has been thrown at me more than once.
> Although I try to articulate my concepts as clearly and cogently as
> possible, I've noted a "conceptual gap" in my dialogue with the Pirsigians
> which I can only attribute to their philosophical indoctrination.  What it
> comes down to is that they not only won't accept alternative views, they
> won't even attempt to conceptualize them.  When someone refuses to
> acknowledge the "subjective self", for example, or that the realization of
> Value requires a conscious agent, trying to explain my ontology is like
> running into a stone wall.
> 
> The MoQists, in particular, have a language of their own in which certain
> terms have a specal meaning ('intension'?)   'Extend' that meaning at your
> own risk, for it will surely cause resentment.  But I suppose that's the
> burden we all have to deal with when traveling in foreign territory.
> 
> Nice to talk to you, Tuukka.  (Whar's the derivation of that name, by the
> way?)
> 
> Essentially yours,
> Ham