[MD] Evolution

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

Dan said:(Quoted.)
"Natural selection pertains to the biological level. There is no choice
involved. The fittest survive to pass on those survival traits while the
less fit hit an evolutionary dead end. At the biological level, the
environment seems to determine the fittest."

(Adrie)
Nearly flawless imho.Allow me to change only 1 word as an addition in the
phrase.

Biological natural selection pertains to the biological level. There is no
choice involved. The fittest survive to pass on those survival traits while
the less fit hit an evolutionary dead end. At the biological level, the
environment seems to determine the fittest."(end)

This is leaving the door open to expand the term "Natural selection", into
the arch of Morality.

Quantum Darwinism seems to be the originating source of the selection
mechanism.(not yet commonly accepted)

Social Darwinism is not a concept or an act of choice or free will.Morality/
reality is the determinant factor , and as such, the race for progress,
betterness, Quality(Nature's dynamic quality will induce the endresult)

So really the endconclusion of the phrase is perfect, Dan,The environment,
Nature(and really Nature needs Quality as its parent) is the determinant.
So, No free will or choice, This places you in
Pirsig's/Ant/Arlo/Buchanan/Andre/etc, camp.

Strange as it seems, contradicting the fact that Pirsig sometimes was
dismissing
the survival of the fittest tought of Darwin,Pirsig came to the same
concluding
evidence as 'Darwin' in so far nature is the determinant, but Pirsig moved
on top of it, Nature itself is only a pattern of Quality.

(this is also the conclusion of the origine of species by means..)
only the words are different,; survival of the fittest.

And by implication,Nature only as a pattern, needs to be a recurrency
capable
entity,(The endless chain of dynamic Quality/vs static) .
Capability of recurrency=multiple universes.Voila , the Many worlds, the
pluralistic universe.


David Buchanan,(quote)

These decisions are not made deliberately in the human sense, of course, but
are choices made within whatever range of possible action is available to
the evolving species in question. I mean, a rat will get off the hot stove
too. Hopefully.

(Adrie)
This makes me realise how lean i am on the field of vocabulary. Fuck.

"
dmb says:
Well, there is that section in chapter 11 of Lila where Pirsig describes the
role of "spur of the moment decisions" that direct the progress of evolution
as "in fact, Dynamic Quality itself. DQ, the source of all things, the
pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, always appears as 'spur of the
moment.' Where else could it appear?" (142)

(Adrie)

One of the most difficult questions to make or to answer.
Not even Quantum physiks owns the concluding evidence.

It is accepted for the moment by people like Stephen Hawking and W Zurek
that only the universe can choose the next "quantum state"and is not even
aware of the previous quantum state, again, Nature itself is the determinant
here.
(for now). And if Hawking cannot solve the riddle.....









dmb says:
Well, there is that section in chapter 11 of Lila where Pirsig describes the
role of "spur of the moment decisions" that direct the progress of evolution
as "in fact, Dynamic Quality itself. DQ, the source of all things, the
pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, always appears as 'spur of the
moment.' Where else could it appear?" (142)

These decisions are not made deliberately in the human sense, of course, but
are choices made within whatever range of possible action is available to
the evolving species in question. I mean, a rat will get off the hot stove
too. Hopefully.

2011/3/24 david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>

>
> Dan said:
>  Natural selection pertains to the biological level. There is no choice
> involved. The fittest survive to pass on those survival traits while the
> less fit hit an evolutionary dead end. At the biological level, the
> environment seems to determine the fittest.
>
> dmb says:
> Well, there is that section in chapter 11 of Lila where Pirsig describes
> the role of "spur of the moment decisions" that direct the progress of
> evolution as "in fact, Dynamic Quality itself. DQ, the source of all things,
> the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, always appears as 'spur of the
> moment.' Where else could it appear?" (142)
>
> These decisions are not made deliberately in the human sense, of course,
> but are choices made within whatever range of possible action is available
> to the evolving species in question. I mean, a rat will get off the hot
> stove too. Hopefully.
>
>
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