[MD] MOQ and Completeness Theories (Sorry, Godel.)

[Dan Glover]

Dear Abby, Dear Abby

My foreskin's too small.
I'm frightened the mohel might take it all.
Should I grow out my hair, give it in curl
Start wearing a bonnet and just be a girl?

Signed,
Sans Penis

Sans Penis, Sans Penis

You don't have a bitch.
You are what you are and you itch where you itch.
Stop crying buckets and moaning 'bout things.
Life is a bell and you are its ping.

Signed,
Dear Abby


On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Thomas
<combinedefforts at earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 3/23/11 11:36 AM, "Dan Glover" <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dan:
>> Where does Robert Pirsig state that "free will" is Quality? This is
>> what RMP says:
>>
>> "A third puzzle illuminated by the Metaphysics of Quality is the
>> ancient "free will vs. determinism controversy." Determinism is the
>> philosophic doctrine that man, like all other objects in the universe,
>> follows fixed scientific laws, and does so without ion. Free will is
>> the philosophic doctrine that man makes choices independent of the
>> atoms of his body."
>>
>> "In the Metaphysics of Quality this dilemma doesn't come up. To the
>> extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality
>> it is without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic
>> Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is free."
>>
>> "So what Phaedrus was saying was that not just life, but everything,
>> is an ethical activity. It is nothing else. When inorganic patterns of
>> reality create life the Metaphysics of Quality postulates that they've
>> done so because it's "better" and that this definition of "betterness"
>> -this beginning response to Dynamic Quality-is an elementary unit of
>> ethics upon which all right and wrong can be based." [LILA]
>>
>> Dan comments:
>> Is this what you are referring to?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan:
>>> Even social patterns seem bound by determinism and not free will. Take
>>> the act of circumcising males. Jewish men have been circumcised for
>>> centuries but they are still born with foreskins. If evolution was a
>>> matter of free will, wouldn't Jewish males be born sans foreskin by
>>> now?
>
> [Dave]
>
> Here's an interesting scenario based on the above.
>
> The Pirsig's are expecting. Like a large number of American couples they
> selected a pediatrician early in the pregnancy and have had the full gamut
> of medical tests including several ultrasounds (It's a boy!) and now they
> are in their last scheduled appointment prior to the anticipated due date.
>
> Their doctor is running through his checklist and asks, "Do you want him
> circumcised?"
> Not being Jewish, and it being their first child they say, "We're not sure,
> please explain."
> He explains the pros and cons and recommends they do the procedure for the
> health and welfare of the child. They are still unsure so he gives them the
> circumcision handout with a bunch of websites to explore and asks them to
> call as soon as they have made a decision.
>
> That evening after their long seshuns (him zanzen, her tai chi) they break
> out their tattered copy of the I Ching, pennies, and cast their pentagrams.
>
> The next morning the wife calls the doctor, " We have made our decision.
> We've decided to circumcise......"
> She pauses here as if not real sure and then continues, "..... his left
> middle finger."
>
> "What?" exclaims the doctor.
>
> "Let me explain, we strict followers of the Metaphysics of Quality. The
> choices you gave us to either circumcise or not, where determined by you and
> society. Both are static patterns and as such neither would have been a real
> choice of our own free will."
>
> "You see we follow Dynamic Quality, which is undefinable, that way our
> behavior is free."
>
> The doctor interrupts, " Sorry may I put you on hold for just a second?"
>
> He hits the speed dial for Child Protective Services.
>
> 'Hey Marsha, you got a van available, I got another one of those MoQ freaks
> for you to pick up...."
>
> The saga continues
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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