[MD] on aristotle

[MarshaV]

In a recent post Adrie was speaking of Aristotle and than switched to the Pheadrus 
without any mention of a new philosopher.   I do are knowledge of Socrates 
comes mainly from Plato with some mention by Aristophanes in The Clouds.  

Aristotle did not believe in written works.  It is my understanding that the 
works we have were from his school, but not directly written by him.   If I 
remember correctly, the Nicomachean Ethics was written by his son.  



On Mar 29, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

> You must surely have confused Aristotle with Socrates in your original
> question Marsha ?
> 
> Anything attributed to Socrates was written by Plato (and others)
> Aristotle was his own man (student of Plato) and wrote himself
> extensively (Poetics, Nicomachean Ethics, etc ...) - a lot more than
> "notes".
> 
> Most of what we have from either (Plato or Aristotle) was preserved
> through the studies and writings (and translations into Arabic and
> then Latin) of Islamist scholars, but of course the (preserved) Greek
> originals have also been translated many times since - ask Pirsig
> about McKeon for example ;-)
> 
> I wouldn't be surprised if there are translations from the original
> Greek in the languages of Hindu, Buddhist and other oriental cultures
> available if you look, but no doubt all the ones "we" read have come
> from the Abrahamic (Judaism, Christian, Islamic) and atheistic
> cultures.
> 
> Now what was your question again ?
> Ian
> 
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> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:23 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Adrie,
>> 
>> There is a difference between ancient Greek and modern Greek.  Is you
>> wife a philologist?  Has Turkey a different religion than either Islamic,
>> Jewish or Christian, because I understand all three to be considered of the
>> Abrahamic traditions?   The Pheadrus that I've read was written by Plato.
>> What version of the Pheadrus by Aristotle are you referencing?
>> 
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>> Marsha
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>> On Mar 29, 2011, at 9:21 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
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>>> Actually, my wife is Turkish, capable of reading Greec, and because of her
>>> being Islamic,she is not really owning an Abrahamic filter.
>>> 
>>> But the rest is correct, Aristotle left nothing behind,The Phaedrus was
>>> never
>>> written down,and Socrates was actually a clown.
>>> Pirsig never wrote a book,he was just sailing all the time,inventing
>>> monisms.
>>> 
>>> If you go on like this , Marsha, i will loose my respect for you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2011/3/29 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> 
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>>>> It is my understanding that we have no written works composed by Aristotle.
>>>> We do have notes of his lectures composed by others.  In addition, even if
>>>> you were a philologist and could read these original notes in the ancient
>>>> Greek language, I doubt that the connotations associated with these works
>>>> having been for centuries filtered through the Abrahamic traditions could be
>>>> removed from your consciousness.
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