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[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

On May 11, 2011, at 3:59 PM, 118 wrote:

> Mark:
> What you say below is incorrect.  You are speaking of the Social
> Level.  We think outside of language and only use it for
> communication.  

Marsha:
I am speaking about thinking, not consciousness.  I am sure human 
beings are conscious of many experiences outside of language: smell,
taste, hearing, touch and sight to name the most obvious.    


> Mark:
> Many things are true to the individual; things are
> only agreed on at the Social level.

Marsha:
I understand thinking to go on at both the Social and Intellectual 
Levels.  





> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:51 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Arlo,
>> 
>> Been thinking that we can think and characterize reality only subject to language, which is conventional (sq) and says nothing ultimately true.  Do you accept your last statement  (Assimilating language...) as true?
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>> Marsha
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>> On May 10, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
>> 
>>> [Marsha]
>>> Is this about an autonomous individual?
>>> 
>>> [Arlo]
>>> No. In this paragraph the author is stating the extremes, or poles, of "structure" (determinism?) and "agency" (free will?). There have been other terms for these, but within structuration theories (such as Giddens, Archer, Parker and Bourdieu), these are recast not as antagonist forces, but mutually enabling and mutually supportive. Agency is always enacted within structure, and structure is always influenced by agency. Greater structure brings greater agency, simplistically, rather than being inversely related. The incredibly rapidity of world travel, and the ensuing "freedom" to move around the globe, rests on a very complex structure of mechanics, navigation, flight theory, schedules, airports, etc etc etc. If you remove the structure, the agency of  the individual to move around is severely diminished. Moreso, Boudieu also considers the same duality regarding "words" which Mark seems to suggest is a form of imprisonment. Assimilating language provides us with far great
>>  er capacity to act than a feral human would have, albeit it at the same time (like roadways) channeling our thoughts in certain ways.
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