[MD] The other side of Value

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Ron said:
> This philosophical discussion is an old one, a good read of Aristotle's
> Metaphysics really explains some good reasons as to why "nothingness"
> and zero are riddled with inconsistancies and problems as far as a
> primary explanation of experience.

Ham:
Zero or nothingness may be an "abstraction" in relational logic, but not in 
metaphysical reality.

Ron:
ESPECIALLY in a Metaphysical construction of reality! it's not experienced! 
Essentialism 

all rests on a abstraction. You really can't deny this.

Ham:
Logically, if Essence is Absolute, it contains no other.

Ron:
Right logically it contains no other and there can be no other besides.

Ham:
Finitude is then Essence reduced by Nothingness.

Ron:
Finitude is then limit. How can Essence which we just admitted as absolute, be 
reduced
by a second entity? what slight of hand are you trying to pull? it conflicts and 
contradicts
entirely the meaning of "absolute". c'mon Ham.

Ham:
But Essence has no Nothingness.
Therefore, negation is the power of Essence to create finitude.
My conclusion: Essence is negational

Ron:
How about limit, for any experience to have any meaning, it's much easier to 
explain
and it works logically but your explanation above is well,,inconsistant 
illogical and unclear.
Essence cant be negational if it is absolute. Otherwise you render the term 
"absolute"
meaningless. Absolute is absolute Ham, not just when it's convieniant to be in 
certain
contexts.
Ron:
> Do realize that dualism and opposites result from the act of explanation
> and the use of language; to take them as actual constituants of reality
> is a reification of those relational concepts of meaning.

You seem to be living in a semiotic world, Ron.  Since when do we need 
mathematics and logical symbols to recognize contradiction?  Explication and 
language do not produce the self/other duality nor the difference between black 
and white.  Such opposites are intellectualized directly from experience, even 
if we are mute creatures who have no language.

Ron:
Right opposites are an intellection drawn from experience, in experience there 
are no opposites
only distinction. Opposites are a result of explanation. But I know that kills 
your theory so you
can't accept that.

Ham:

If you have an alternative theory, why don't you express it in plain words for 
the rest of us?

Ron:
I believe I just did.

thnx Ham.


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