[MD] Protagoras: everything is relative...

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Thu Nov 3 15:07:53 PDT 2011


Hi Mark,

Marsha:
Viva la difference.  As I explained, my view of the MoQ:  Reality = Quality(Dynamic(unpatterned experience)/static(patterned experience)).  


Marsha



On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:34 PM, 118 wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> I apologize if I come off as complaining.  In some circles this is called healthy debate with rhetoric.
> 
> The reason I may question you equation of Quality and reality, is because that it may be misleading.  Your quote from Pirsig may point that out to you: 
>> "Quality is the primary reality of the world."  
> 
> This statement alone implies that quality and reality are two different concepts.  Quality is being defined through the concept of primary reality.  This is different from Quality being Reality.
> 
> It is easy to be misled by words, one must look beyond them to see Quality.
> 
> We were off the grid for a while due to the wonderful Desert Winds that blow through here with force at this time of the year.  It seems that the lines are back up now.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:39 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> FIRST, sorry for he long delay.  I was without power and land-line, cell phone service & DSL service because of the storm.  All returned this afternoon making me one of the lucky few.   New Fairfield was 100% off the grid and still is 90% off the grid.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mark:
>> I am only trying to understand your view on Quality, so I do not think it is being petty.  I thought I was doing a good job.  It is words like unpatterned that I do not understand.  Such a word has no meaning to me in the same way that undefined has no meaning, and I keep asking Joe about it.  So it is not my intent to find fault, and I am disappointed that you would think so.  
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> I explained my view of the MoQ:  Reality = Quality(Dynamic(unpatterned experience)/static(patterned experience)).  
>> 
>> 
>> Mark:
>> That you think that Quality means the same thing as the more commonly used word Reality is a bold statement since it means that all the common attributes given to Reality can be given to Quality.  
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> As RMP states: "Quality is the primary reality of the world."  
>> 
>> Mark:
>> I was simply exploring that.  Some day you may stop being so defensive and we can have a real conversation, or not.
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> Yet, you, on your part, ignore questions that I put to you.  
>> 
>> And you complained of my use of the word "reality" in a discussion about metaphysics, a subject which asks basic questions about reality.   And you yourself not too long ago wrote "The dimensionality of space cannot be discarded in metaphysics, since it creates our reality."  I think your complaining, and you are beginning to sound like one of the complaining sock puppets, is hypocritical.  
>> 
>> By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
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