[MD] It's a trap

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Hi Marsha,
Authoritative Model?  That is pretty lame given the subject matter of
this forum.  What standards do you subscribe to when it comes to
Rhetoric?  You are resorting to a dialectic model for defending your
view, which is Stuck-ness supported by Stuck-ness.  That there should
be some fundamental baseline with which to evaluate a description of
Quality is exactly what MoQ is against.  It cannot be evaluated
through rules as projected from the outside.  Quality shines
throughout and is not confined by Truth.  You are caught in models of
static quality requiring rules of governance.  The authority is not in
the room; there is no one you can pin your presentation on.  It is all
up to you.  Scary isn't it?
Rhetoric 1:Dialectic 0.
You are on the wrong side of this debate, which would put you against
MoQ?  Read Chapter 29 of ZMM again and get back to me.

Cheers,
Mark

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:44 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> Mark,
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> If you think that I'm trapped, well then that's what you think, but you have not demonstrated that I am trapped anymore than anybody using conventional language.  And no, you have not offered any standards (authoritative model) by which you are both judging my posts and writing your own.
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> Marsha
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> On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:19 PM, 118 wrote:
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>> Oh.
>>
>> I suppose the standard would be furthering the MoQ through analogy.  Defensiveness is the quality of standing fast to a concept to show one is unmoved by argument.  Such defensiveness is a cage of SOM, wherein one resorts to words said by another without any creative thought.
>>
>> Your patterned/unpatterned has got you caught.  If you could express this in another way, it may help you.  I have no interest in you, just what you propose in these discussions.  You are safe.
>>
>> Does that answer your question?
>>
>> Mark
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>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:52 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> Mark,
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>>> If you choose to label my posts as defensive, rather than as
>>> intellectual, I'm asking what standards are you using both to
>>> judge my posts and to write your own?
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>>>
>>> Marsha
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>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 4:40 PM, 118 wrote:
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>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> I have no idea what you are talking about in terms of "standards of
>>>> intellectual discourse".  Could you please ask the question in another
>>>> way?
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:30 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sweet Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2011 Mark wrote to dmb:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>>> Marsha may think you are attacking her personally rather than having an intellectual debate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 3, 2011 Marsha asked Mark:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>> By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask again:
>>>>> I'm still waiting.  By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
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