[MD] It's a trap

[118]

I don't need to show you that you are trapped.  My intention is to give you a way out.  You can lead a horse to water...

Mark

On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:50 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:10 AM, 118 wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>> Mark:
>> Authoritative Model?  That is pretty lame given the subject matter of
>> this forum.  What standards do you subscribe to when it comes to
>> Rhetoric?  You are resorting to a dialectic model for defending your
>> view, which is Stuck-ness supported by Stuck-ness.  That there should
>> be some fundamental baseline with which to evaluate a description of
>> Quality is exactly what MoQ is against.  It cannot be evaluated
>> through rules as projected from the outside.  
> 
> 
> Marsha:
> Exactly!  And you have not demonstrated by any means that I am trapped 
> anymore than anybody using conventional language.  So your criticisms 
> I need not except, and I don't.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Mark:
>> Quality shines
>> throughout and is not confined by Truth.  You are caught in models of
>> static quality requiring rules of governance.  The authority is not in
>> the room; there is no one you can pin your presentation on.  It is all
>> up to you.  Scary isn't it?
>> Rhetoric 1:Dialectic 0.
>> You are on the wrong side of this debate, which would put you against
>> MoQ?  Read Chapter 29 of ZMM again and get back to me.
> 
> Marsha:
> And your pronouncement that I am on the wrong side of this debate 
> is also an opinion I need not accept.  It's just more of your blah, blah, blah...  
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:44 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> If you think that I'm trapped, well then that's what you think, but you have not demonstrated that I am trapped anymore than anybody using conventional language.  And no, you have not offered any standards (authoritative model) by which you are both judging my posts and writing your own.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:19 PM, 118 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oh.
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose the standard would be furthering the MoQ through analogy.  Defensiveness is the quality of standing fast to a concept to show one is unmoved by argument.  Such defensiveness is a cage of SOM, wherein one resorts to words said by another without any creative thought.
>>>> 
>>>> Your patterned/unpatterned has got you caught.  If you could express this in another way, it may help you.  I have no interest in you, just what you propose in these discussions.  You are safe.
>>>> 
>>>> Does that answer your question?
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:52 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you choose to label my posts as defensive, rather than as
>>>>> intellectual, I'm asking what standards are you using both to
>>>>> judge my posts and to write your own?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 4:40 PM, 118 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>>> I have no idea what you are talking about in terms of "standards of
>>>>>> intellectual discourse".  Could you please ask the question in another
>>>>>> way?
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:30 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sweet Mark,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2011 Mark wrote to dmb:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>>>>> Marsha may think you are attacking her personally rather than having an intellectual debate.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2011 Marsha asked Mark:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>>> By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I ask again:
>>>>>>> I'm still waiting.  By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha 
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