[MD] The Hero's journey

[118]

Hi Joe,
I agree with your thoughts.  

Outside of the social level words have no meaning.  We are able to grunt in complex ways.  Some grunts provide us with more meaning than others.  Meaning exists outside of words.  

I am sure that the different howls of a coyote carry meaning for the coyote.  We are the same.  We build very complex beehives, but to the bee we are just the environment.  It is useful for me to raise everything else up to our level.  It gives everything meaning, even the photon, which for me is the grandest of all.  And, yes, even the photon has free will.  It explains so much for me.

Pirsig himself states that everything has free will, we are no different.

Mark

On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> I accept the discipline of metaphysics cannot be understood in the language
> of physics mathematics.  I see the color purple and it is different from the
> color blue.  Vibrations matter to perception.  Vibrations in what?
> 
> Light has a spectrum.  Sound has an octave.  Touch distinguishes soft and
> hard, hot and cold without the input of education.  The assumption of words,
> not words for communication would leave a baby helpless in communication.
> That is not my experience in comforting a baby.  Experience is prior to
> words.  Memory is prior to words.  Emotions are prior to words.  I do not
> know how sounds, sights, sensations can distinguish without definition, but
> my experience acknowledges I distinguish colors, sounds, sensations without
> definition.  The metaphysics DQ/SQ.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/12/11 7:39 AM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> When you state undefinable/definable I assume you mean "that which can not be
>> exchanged through words/that which can".  We each have our own limits to what
>> we can convey in words, and such conveyance requires a willing listener.  The
>> way I see it, the undefinable is temporarily defined as best one can, and then
>> returns to the undefinable.  One should not hold on to the definition except
>> as an analogy for it is not the real thing, but an abstraction used for
>> communication.
> 
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