[MD] It's a trap

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OK

Mark

On Nov 19, 2011, at 2:49 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> Mark,
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> You ask me:  "Are you sure....?"   Sure?   Would that be "sure" like in "true"?   That is some kind of an asshole question to present to me if I ever saw one.   The Ultimate Truth (DQ) cannot be captured.  It's static quality, which for me is conditionally co-dependent, impermanent, ever-changing and conceptualized.  That's how I understand what you write too, and it doesn't prevent me from reading and considering your posts.  
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> Marsha 
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> On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:56 PM, 118 wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
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>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Are you sure that Dynamic Quality really IS that?  How does one know
>> the unknowable?  How does one create three adjectives for the
>> indivisible?  How does one define the undefinable as your "For me..."
>> states?
>> 
>> For static patterns, is the "conditionally" an independent source?
>> How does the concept of processes come into the picture, are processes
>> defined before co-dependent arises?  That is, is there a third
>> component which defines the process?  Is the ever-changing aspect
>> unchanging?  If things are predictable, how does something
>> unpredictable come into the picture (like the Black Swan)?
>> 
>> How does the Flow of static patterns manifest?  Is there flow and then
>> Self, or is there Self and then flow?  Do the static patterns
>> represent flow?  Are the static patterns dependent on flow, or is flow
>> dependent on static patterns?  Are flow and static patterns dependent?
>> 
>> I am not getting on your case and I did ask you for your opinion,
>> which I value.  I am just asking questions that I find interesting to
>> further explore.  I do not have the answers.
>> 
>> 
>> I am sorry I missed the whole Intellectual Level Brew-haha, it must
>> have been interesting.  Someday I will visit the archives on that one.
>> Usually when there is tension in a dialectic it is interesting to see
>> how it plays out.  Sounds a bit unfinished to me, or else the
>> combatants were unwilling to see what could be learned.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
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>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> QUALITY:
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>>> For me…  Dynamic Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.
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>>> Static patterns of value are processes: ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent.   (Not independent objects, subjects or things-in-themselves.)  Ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.   These patterns are categorized into a four-level, evolutionary, hierarchical structure: :  inorganic, biological, social and intellectual.
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>>> ---
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>>> SELF:
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>>> The “self” is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in the infinite field of Dynamic Quality.
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>>> ---
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>>> INTELLECTUAL LEVEL
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>>> Not allowed to be presented.
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