[MD] The Relativist's journey

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Hi Marsha,

Yes, certainly do not reject a term without consideration.  The goal
is to evaluate what is useful towards imparting meaning to MoQ.  This
is what is meant by philosophical discussion.  Along those lines, we
could consider the analogies provided by the Catholic Church as worthy
of consideration.  Perhaps the notion that Christ died on the Cross
has meaning within MoQ.  If, after discussion, we agree that it should
not, then we omit it.  Any such rejection can always be revisited by
anyone if a reasonable case is put forth.

dmb is providing such consideration to the term of Relativism which he
finds not compatible with MoQ.  If you have your reasons to consider
it compatible, explain why, as you do with the post copied below.  You
may have to continue to provide rhetoric in different ways as to why
it is important.  However, you should give the same consideration to
Greek Orthodoxy which has much in common with MoQ.  Do not summarily
reject the preachings of St. Paul without evaluation.  The same can be
said for Hinduism, Buddhism, Protestantism, Capitalism and so forth.
What the aim is, is to bring value to MoQ and make it a world
philosophy.

Just for clarification, the Quantum point-of-view does not include
relativity.  This is because the concept of Relativity does not find
much usefulness in Quantum physics.  However, if you feel that
relativity does belong in Quantum physics, then by all means, provide
your reasons.  Relativity is used in the General Theory of Relativity,
and its more specific application in terms of moving clocks which is
termed the Special Theory of Relativity.  You probably know this since
you are fond of bringing physics into the mix.  The metaphysical
implications of the General Theory are unclear, although Godel tried
to do just that.  He attempted to bridge the notion of time as it is
seen by cosmologists, that is a fabric know as "space-time", and our
intuitive knowledge of time.  His result was that time cannot exist.
These are the difficulties when trying to apply concepts in physics
(that is the introduction of artificial systems of measurement) to
what we term metaphysics.

I look forward to more discussions on why you feel Relativism is
important to MoQ.

Cheers,
Mark


On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:31 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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