[MD] Labels and Ostracisms

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Hi Arlo,
I think the point is, what kind of message are you sending with this anti-theistic movement that is any different from the rest of modern philosophy?  If your intent is to rage against the machine, then theism is more of a partner than an antagonist.  Theism subscribes more to the workings of the inner voice.  It is addressing ones personal relationship with what IS.

Perhaps you are viewing theism at arms length as a static dogma.  Perhaps you haven't given it's premise much thought.  It may be useful to consider what it does beneficially to the individual.  It is a dynamic relationship.

Personally I do not subscribe to the Christian presentation as dogmatically presented by the Church.  Never been to church in my long life.  That is just petty power at play.  There is something to be said, however, about a cause that conceives of an order based around the Good.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:

> [John]
> But the fact that you bring up the subject, long after the protagonists of theism have given up and fled, is a clue to something that must be going on in your own head.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Apparently they have not 'fled', John.
> 
> [John]
> ... is a clue to something that must be going on in your own head.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Only that it represents a redefinition, both of Pirsig's MOQ and the meaning of 'theism', to the point where both are distorted beyond value. I also pointed out its the same inanity that says "atheism is a form of theism", in the case of the MOQ you are saying that "anti-theism is a form of theism", which may help those in need of theism sleep at night, but does nothing for the MOQ (or theism).
> 
> [John]
> Anti-theism is probably the single biggest factor In the promulgation of SOM.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Since the MOQ is anti-theistic, and it opposes SOM, this statement is about as gross a misunderstanding of the MOQ as I've seen. But this just proves my point.
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