[MD] Taking off the glasses?

[david buchanan]

dmb said to Steve:

I think you are ignoring the substance of his [Pirsig's] remarks, pretending that he doesn't have a hell of a lot to say about the connections between DQ, insanity and enlightenment and you're adding simultaneity to Pirsig's comments in order to manufacture a "slip up" where there really isn't one. I think you're objection is fake and petty.



Steve deleted Pirsig's remarks and said:
It is safe to say that the sort of trust necessary for a productive conversation isn't present. I am sincere in wanting to read this passage in a way that isn't problematic in terms of other aspects of Pirsig's philosophy. I don't want to do any pretending or manufacturing. I want to take Pirsig at his word and find out what he is saying rather than just pretend he is saying what I wish he would say.


dmb says:
If you are sincerely interested in the substance of his words and you want me to trust you on that, then why did you delete his words from your response? If you're playing straight, then shy did the substance disappear again, as usual? 


Steve said:
...As I see things, no one is with or without some set of glasses to a greater or lesser degree than anyone else. 


dmb says:
That is directly contradicted by the textual evidence you deleted from your response. And yet you demand trust.


Steve said:
I am dubious about the idea of Enlightenment as walking around all day with no such cultural glasses.

dmb says:
Okay, I'll bite. Who asserted this dubious idea? Was it Flimsy the Strawman, perhaps? Guess I can always trust you to quote him.