[MD] This is what democracy looks like

[Horse]

As I said in my last post let's get back to the business of this list - 
i.e. the MoQ.
And that is not a signal for you to continue this thread with a few 
references to Quality here and there.



On 16/10/2011 11:58, Michael R. Brown wrote:
> Hi Horse -
>
> "The rich and powerful" is another non-existent collective. "The rich 
> and powerful" is a useless fiction.
>
> So, no apologist. Denier of collectivist fairy-stories.
>
> The fairy story is that there are good people who are "ordinary folk" 
> and they all think and want pretty much the same, and then there's the 
> bad villains who are "the rich and powerful" and they are few in 
> number but keep the honest, nice hobbits down with these evil rings of 
> power they send influence out via from on top of their big mean 
> selfish towers.
>
> Well, no.
>
> If you could show me a completely collectivist, State-controlled 
> country that did measurably, markedly better than countries that hew 
> more toward economic liberty - like the U.S., Canada, and now Sweden 
> (which has been reducing its welfare statism markedly) - then I might 
> do more than smile at your flailings. As it is, you sound like a 
> Limbaugh of the left.
>
>> the scare tactics of anti-Semitism, collectivism, anarchism etc. etc.
>
> Ah, so anti-Semitism is nothing to be watched? Understood.
>
>> It's always the government or the lefties or anyone
>
> No, it was quite specific policies pursued for the last one hundreds 
> years quite independent of who sits in the big circular office.
>
>> never the good old conservatives and the honest bankers and 
>> industrialists.
>
> With regard to what I'm talking about - yes. Though many of them kept 
> it going, just fine. All of the worst things were set up by 
> Progressives - from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to LBJ's congress - but 
> businesspeople and conservatives didn't fight them as they should. 
> They collaborated. Conservatives and industrialists are better than 
> leftists at economics, but they are by no means ideal. (I'm not a 
> conservative; I'm a classical liberal. So I reject your cartoon there, 
> too.)
>
>> so are your bankers and your industrialists - they're the ones that 
>> have been doing the screwing.
>
> Riiiiiiiight. They set up Medicare and Social Security and abandoned 
> real money.
>
>> And if you don't understand what ordinary folk are then you really 
>> have lost your way.
>
> In other words, if I don't agree with your ideas, I'm the Devil.
>
> Cool.
>
>
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