[MD] The Birth of Tragedy/CH2 and the MOQ

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Fri Oct 21 16:44:33 PDT 2011


Marsha,
"Levels of truth are relational as are the four levels in MoQ"
Adobadas

"Relativity is nihilistic, relationalism is synergistic"
Brujos Consejo, Jr.

"The literal creates the cage"
Costanza

Mark

On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:51 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Mark,  
> 
> Conventional (static) truth is relative, as in: 
> 
>     "The Buddhist doctrine of the two truths differentiates between 
>     two levels of truth (Sanskrit: satya) in Buddhist discourse: a "relative" 
>     or commonsense truth (Pāli: sammuti sacca), and an "ultimate" or 
>     absolute, spiritual truth (Pāli: paramattha sacca)."
>            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_truths 
> 
> or from the MoQ Textbook:
> 
>    “Intellectual values include truth, justice, freedom, democracy and,
>     trial by jury. It’s worth noting that the MOQ follows a pragmatic
>     notion of truth so truth is seen as relative in his system while
>     Quality is seen as absolute.  In consequence, the truth is defined
>     as the highest quality intellectual explanation at a given time."
> 
> You can do a search on [ Buddhism - convention truth - relative ] to find 
> 'relative' is a commonly used descriptor.   Of course, if you prefer to use the 
> word 'relational', please do so.  
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 1:20 AM, 118 wrote:
> 
>> Marsha,
>> "Truth is relational, not relative"
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:24 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:29 PM, MarshaV wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:13 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> dmb says:
>>>>> [dmb interjects: the non-arbitrary, non-subjective, non-capricious preselection of facts is also an argument against relativism.]
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha:
>>>> Relativism doesn't necessarily mean chaotic or random, but more dependent on circumstances such as static quality history and the dynamics of the present moment.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha:
>>> Not only is truth within the MoQ 'dependent on circumstance of static quality history and the dynamics of the present event' (or relative), but that relative (convention) truth can be evaluated based on the four-level, evolutionary, hierarchical structure and its usefulness.
>>> 
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