[MD] The Information

[MarshaV]

On Oct 27, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Steven Peterson wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 

> Steve:
> I think that's simply put and about right (that information is
> Quality),

What else could it be but Quality?  
   

> Steve continues:
> and I think there is even more resonance to be unpacked
> between information theory and the dq/sq split with what Gleick is
> reporting about information theory as well as with what Matt just said
> about meaning. Information is apparently measured or talked about in
> terms of entropy, probability, patterns, and surprise.

I've moved the book up to next in the pile, but I need first to finish up: 'Self, 
No Self?: Perspectives from Analytical, Phenomenological, and Indian 
Traditions.'  So many subtle difference, and maybe more than I bargained 
for.  


> Steve:
> In a message,if we know what is coming next, there is no information.  
> Meaning then comes as defiance of expectations. I haven't thought
> nearly enough about it yet, but I think there are some ideas in The Information
> that would help sort out the chaos/dq/degeneracy/sq distinctions.

Marsha:  
It might be over my head, but I'm curious to give it a try.  Krimel said it was quite 
good and he also recommended Brian Christian’s 'The Most Human Human.' 



Marsha




> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:07 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> I must confess, I haven't gotten to Gleick's book yet and it has been a while since I heard the interview, so I really don't have anything to add concerning the book.  I'm don't see a difference between information and Quality.  Do you?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Steven Peterson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> I wanted to let you know that I am reading this book on your
>>> recommendation. I think there is a lot to unpack here with regard to
>>> information theory in relation to the MOQ, but I don't feel at all
>>> equal to the task. I hope someone smarter than I am will give it a go.
>>> Do you have any thoughts to share about information and Quality?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:46 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Here's an interesting radio interview with James Gleick concerning his new book 'The Information'
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "We can see now that information is what our world runs on: the blood and the fuel, the vital principle. It pervades the sciences from top to bottom, transforming every branch of knowledge. Information theory began as a bridge from mathematics to electrical engineering and from there to computing. What English speakers call “computer science” Europeans have long since known as informatique, informatica, and Informatik. Now even biology has become an information science, a subject of messages, instructions, and code. Genes encapsulate information and enable procedures for reading it in and writing it out. Life spreads by networking. The body itself is an information processor. Memory is stored not just in brains but in every cell. No wonder genetics bloomed along with information theory. DNA is the quintessential information molecule, the most advanced message processor at the cellular level—an alphabet and a code, 6 billion bits to form a human being. “What lies at the heart of every living thing is not a fire, not warm breath, not a ‘spark of life,’” declares the evolutionary theorist Richard Dawkins. “It is information, words, instructions. . . . If you want to understand life, don’t think about vibrant, throbbing gels and oozes, think about information technology.” The cells of an organism are nodes in a richly interwoven communications network, transmitting and receiving, coding and decoding. Evolution itself embodies an ongoing exchange of information between organism and environment."
>>>> 
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>>>> http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/03/18/james-gleick
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