[MD] The Hero's journey

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Thu Oct 27 16:31:29 PDT 2011




Hey Matt and Dan,

Matt said:
You go on to say that you think "Dynamic Quality comes before the 
coin" of better/worse in the MoQ.  I still don't think that is a correct 
apprehension of how Pirsig describes the MoQ.  But as this is an 
issue of scholarship, the task of amassing evidence and 
counter-evidence is yet the task not done.

Dan said:
It seems apparent (to me) that RMP equates Dynamic Quality with 
pre-intellectual experience. I take the prefix "pre" to mean before. 
That's why I said Dynamic Quality comes before the coin. 
Intellectually, we decide what's better or worse, after the Dynamic 
moment has passed.

Matt:
Yes, DQ is pre-intellectual experience.  And I took it that Pirsig was 
saying that evaluative responses were our root experiences, and 
therefore pre-intellectual in nature, which means low/high 
evaluations are pre-intellectual though the _words_ "low" and "high" 
come later.

Ron:
Thats how I understand how the function of biological quality functions 
in terms of the hot stove analogy, that biological betterness or the move
to get off the hot stove, is pre-intellectual but that evaluation of "following
DQ " is not a move toward biological quality. In short "better-ness" is
an intellectual concept wich emerges out of inorganic/organic "better-ness"
a higher evolutionary form of prefference.Quality or better-ness exists in
four basic forms, to say that DQ is not betterness based on the idea that
DQ is pre-intellectual seems to me to be undercutting the meaning of the
other two distinctions of Quality being inorganic and organic .
DQ being sans prefference, defeats the meaning of how the whole
concept of Quality works as experience.


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