[MD] logically incoherent

[Andre Broersen]

Ron to Ham:

Excellent Ham, exactly what I was hoping to draw out of the comment. Unfortunately Marsha seems
to have missed this point.

Andre:
Right Ron, Marsha missed this point or perhaps she just didn't bother because she does not recognize any 'point'. The way she's behaving on this discuss makes me wonder if she knows her arse from a hole in the ground. Sorry to put it this way but her reasoning basically is DQ=sq. No difference. All discussions on this md about metaphysical concepts are considered to be without inherent existence and therefore illusory. Well that's fine but Marsha uses this illusory character to mean insignificant, unimportant, a mirage, a relativity in the sense of meaninglessness.

No idea is better than another. All are relative because illusory and hence she slithers on the nihilist flatland film of snot.

She keeps on putting up so called Buddhist inspired quotes to substantiate her argument (which is a wonderful contradiction when you think of it) but it only shows her flimsy knowledge with regard to its proper place, use and value. She even quotes Wallace and Hagan to add authority. Authority, which she questions the use and value of when used by other contributors.

I think she hasn't even read the back of Hagan's little book where Pirsig suggests that "If you're looking for enlightenment rather than just scholarly knowledge, you'd better read this".

She isn't into scholarly knowledge because she fundamentally distrusts the church of reason. Any reference to 'academia' is suspect. Hence Marsha's anti-intellectual attitude.

She still doesn't accept that the MOQ is a stable, intellectual pattern of value. For her it still is 'experience' (following good old Bodvar).

And of course she'll deny this. Of course she'll say that we do not know what she thinks (she has said this!)She'll decide whether to take you seriously or not Ron. This depends on her mood and where her interest lies at that moment, but since she is an ever-changing pattern of values I would not hold my breath.

I have certainly stopped taking her seriously and I'm certain that she doesn't care because that's only my opinion and accounts for nothing. Anyone's opinion for that matter...including Pirsig's.

Meanwhile she's looking for a shared agreement with Ham 'in the experience of 'pure awareness'.

Very sad indeed.