[MD] logically incoherent

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Ham and all,

The point I was trying to make is that truth in evolution is best
interpreted as levels in existence.  In SOM existence is divided into a real
existence and an intentional modality of existence for knowledge in a mind.
In SOM modality the conception of an evolution of reality as levels in
existence is not real but only intentional.  The mind creates no real
existence.  

In the past how it created an intentional existence for knowledge required
further verification.  Faith became an arbiter and the inquisition by the
Church led to rethinking SOM metaphysics.

MOQ, on the other hand, has the model for metaphysics DQ/SQ describing a
definable/indefinable reality. Pirsig describes metaphysics as a direct
perception of levels in existence, evolution, rather than an intentional
only perception of a model for existence.

The framework for knowledge in an evolutionary model in existence is not in
the mind, but is rock/water/air/mind/etc., solid. Indefinable reality can be
experienced, e.g., Love, Dq only.  Sentient Life, self-movement against
gravity, has a metaphysical basis in SQ existence instinct/will evolving
from DQ.  The gravitational pull, is described mathematically.

This activates a perception that existence participates in an evolutionary
model. The real/intentional model of SOM places evolution not in existence
but in a mind responding to a real and intentional division in existence.

Evolution, levels in existence, provides a fuller more-precise basis for
reality. An intentional existence in a mind manipulated by a Faith premise
is open to disaster.  The logic in mathematics, denying evolution, is open
to abuse.



On 9/7/11 9:23 PM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Also, you state that DQ is "not a non-existent element in logic."  By this
> double-negative you infer that DQ IS an element in logic.  Can you show me
> where or how Dynamic Quality (an indefinable term that Pirsig invented) is a
> logical element?
> 
> Otherwise, I don't understand the point you are trying to make.