[MD] Reifying carrots

[MarshaV]

   "We can't comprehend Reality with our intellects.  We can't pull it into a static view of some thing.  All our explanations are necessarily provisional.  They're just rigid frames of what is actually motion and fluidity.  In other words, if you think of how Reality is, you can be sure that's how it isn't.  Reality simply cannot be put into conceptual form --- not even through analogy, for there's no;thing like it.  Reality simply doesn't fit into concepts at all.  

  (Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, p.71)
 
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On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:00 AM, 118 wrote:

> Hallo M.
> I will again ask, Marsha, if we are part of the illusion, what is it
> an illusion of?  That is, what does it represent?  For example a
> mirage of an oasis is an illusion of something we recognize.  Such an
> illusion is misdirection, like mistaking a rope for a snake.  It is
> what the Vedantins call Maya.  What is the illusion of a tiger and our
> part in it representing in the REAL world?  Thinking about this may
> help you along.
> 
> As the Zen teacher will tell you, he has nothing to teach.  And, he means it!
> 
> All the best,
> Mark
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> On Sep 8, 2011, at 12:13 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>> I love this story...  A student asked his venerated Zen teacher, "If all is an illusion, should I run if a tiger chases me?"  "Yes!", said the teacher, "because you are a part of the illusion."
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>> On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:33 AM, 118 wrote:
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>>> Dear Marsha,
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>>> I have no idea what is REAL for you and what is PHONY, although I am
>>> sure you do.  If I am driving through a neighborhood and two young
>>> children suddenly appear crossing the street chasing a ball, that is
>>> pretty REAL for me, and I slam on the breaks.
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
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