[MD] Nagarjuna and the MOQ

[Horse]

Hi Guys

I think Dan has said much of what I think with respect to Hams comments 
and his attitude towards the so-called renegades - who aren't actually 
renegades, just folks who fail to understand Pirsig! But I thought I 
should comment on this little piece

On 23/09/2011 21:04, Ham Priday wrote:

> By way of history, Bodvar was excommunicated for expounding an 
> original theory of Intellect which didn't comport with the official 
> Quality hierarchy. 

By way of correcting Ham who is re-writing history to suit his own 
twisted purpose, this is the sort of crap that seems to come from that 
jolly band of 'renegades' who see themselves as the holy Pirsig martyrs. 
If, Ham, you had bothered to read a single post of what went on with Bo 
you'd have realised that I let Bo continue with his fucked up pile of 
crap for about 10 years (yes years Ham - if you are actually bothering 
to read this) and only called a halt on it after months of trying to 
stop Bo pissing all over this forum by interrupting every conversation 
and refusing to listen to a word I said. I made a huge effort to try and 
make Bo behave reasonably (because I like him) but in the end he 
couldn't or wouldn't and left. As for his thesis being original - don't 
make me laugh. It was a fucked up re-hash of Pirsigs MoQ and Bo was 
trying to take credit for it by telling everyone he could that Pirsig 
was too fucking stupid to understand his own ideas and Bo was really the 
owner and originator of the TRUE MoQ.

> Tim (with whom I've had some offline contact) was also regarded as too 
> controversial for this dedicated forum, 

More bullshit. Tim was a nut-case (one of the few that we've had) and he 
wouldn't behave reasonably so I removed him. If by controversial you 
mean a raving religious foil-hat wearing fucking idiot then yeah he was 
controversial.

> and I understand that Platt was disenchanted (probably with the 
> prevailing collectivist sentiment of this group) and left on his own 
> accord. 

Oh dear - having to fall back on the veiled insults is such a poor show 
Ham. Collectivist sentiment my arse. And for your information, Platt 
hasn't left the group. He just doesn't post any more. His accounts are 
still open and mail is being delivered but whether he reads it or not I 
don't know.
If Platt feels that the rules of this forum and my, generally, 
reasonable requests are too much of an infringement on his freedom of 
expression then he can go to another Pirsig forum and see how much 
sympathy he gets there. I would suspect though that only if he (and/or 
Bo) start their own forum will he/they be able to continue with their 
nonsense in their own way as no one else will put up with it for a 
minute. I put up with it for years.

> I've tried to avoid politics in my posts, focusing mainly on 
> metaphysical issues that to my way of thinking are, or should be, 
> central to Pirsig's philosophy. Unfortunately, my concepts seem to 
> have been rejected out of hand by all but a few "adventurous" 
> participants.

Or those that generally haven't got a clue about Pirsig as they are more 
generally known! And as Dan said, why don't all you renegades (OMG!!) 
get your own forum and start making your noises there. I'll give you a 
big fat link from my site and this forum if you do that.
See how generous I am? But please don't make the mistake of seeing that 
generosity as either stupidity or weakness.

Horse

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