[MD] Contradiction and incoherence

[MarshaV]

Tuukka,

I do not equate 'killing intellectual patterns' with unpatterned experience or being anti-intellectual, I believe it is the experience of awareness/mindfulness, which naturally fosters caring, kindness and a preciousness towards life.  

That's #5, over and out... 

Marsha
 

On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:48 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko <mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net> wrote:

> Marsha,
> I don't care whose words they were. I was just checking. Maybe RMP's writing had a context which would have said the same things than you said when I asked for clarification. Maybe not. I don't care who says what - generally - only, what is said.
> 
> -Tuukka
> 
> 
> 
>> Tuukka,
>> 
>> And I agree with RMP that to kill intellectual patterns is to serve morality if one does not understand deeply that value patterns are impermanent, ever-changing (synchronically and diachronically) and conditionally co-dependent (relative).  And please do remember that the transcribing of the Eastern poem into MoQ'nese represents RMP's words from LILA, not mine.  That would be Robert Maynard Pirsig's words, not mine.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko<mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> okay, but it's pretty harsh and vague to speak of "killing" an intellectual pattern. That's what created the misconception for me. No problem anymore, with the explanation.
>>> 
>>> -Tuukka
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1.4.2012 12:06, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> Greetings Tuukka,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko<mail at tuukkavirtaperko.net>   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha,
>>>>> If there's no intellectual quality, where's Dynamic Quality going to latch?  To social patterns? Okay, but that can create new intellectual patterns.
>>>> I have never said there is no intellectual (value) patterns, so I have no way to answer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> To biological and inorganic patterns? If so, then maybe you are a manifestation of Lila.
>>>> I have never denied inorganic, biological, social or intellectual (patterned) value.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> What does it mean to "kill" an intellectual pattern?  May its carcass still be used for something?
>>>> I'll repeat what I wrote yesterday.  Isn't the idea to understand that these static patterns should not bind, or blind, us whether intellectual level patterns or biological patterns.  Then one merely needs to recognize patterns, and to determine, to the best of one's ability, what it values and whether it is useful or not in the present case.
>>>> 
>>>>> -Tuukka
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1.4.2012 11:30, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>> This quote seems so appropriate for Subject: title.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "From the static point of view the whole escape into Dynamic Quality seems like a death experience. It's a movement from something to nothing. How can 'nothing' be any different from death? Since a Dynamic understanding doesn't make the static distinctions necessary to answer that question, the question goes unanswered. All the Buddha could say was, 'See for yourself.'
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "When early Western investigators first read the Buddhist texts they too interpreted nirvana as some kind of suicide. There's a famous poem that goes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "While living,
>>>>>> Be a dead man.
>>>>>> Be completely dead,
>>>>>> And then do as you please.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "And all will be well. It sounds like something from a Hollywood horror-film but it's about nirvana. The Metaphysics of Quality translates it:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "While sustaining biological and social patterns
>>>>>> Kill all intellectual patterns.
>>>>>> Kill them completely And then follow Dynamic Quality
>>>>>> And morality will be served."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     (LILA, Chapter 32)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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