[MD] Creative Freedom in Jazz

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Hi Dr. Ant,
Yes, perhaps I mean philosophologist.  I have read what Pirsig has to
say about it, and I do consider you to be a philosopher even though I
have not read your Ph.D.  Is this available online?  My comment below
was meant as a compliment since I meant "philosopher" in the sense
that much of the academic philosophy seems to be tying semantic knots
within an established framework.  Pirsig struck out alone, and only
time will tell if something catches hold, with your help of course.

If you have written bold new works in the area of philosophy, I would
like to read these as well.

I am a Ph.D in the sciences, and what I can bring to the forum is a
perspective from science as a metaphysics.  Otherwise, I try to read
broadly in all areas of metaphysics, and have a hard time sticking to
one subject for long, although they all reveal the same thing.  You
may have noticed the erratic nature of some of my post.  I believe
there is a thread there, but only time will tell on that as well.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers,
Mark

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Mark Smith stated to Carl Thames, April 8th 2012:
>
> I think it is the firm historical ties with history that makes it seem that
> philosophy is like a juggernaut.  It was nice that Pirsig was not a philosopher
> or a historian when he wrote his books.  This gave him more latitude.
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Mark,
>
> I think you meant "philosophologist" (rather than "philosopher") in the
> above paragraph.  Pirsig considers himself (as I do!) a philosopher because he
> created a (largely) original philosophical work while philosophologists (as
> usually found in university philosophy departments) tend to study
> established ideas and thinkers:
>
>
> "Philosophology is to philosophy as musicology is to music, or as art
> history and art
>
> appreciation are to art, or as literary criticism is to creative
> writing.
>
> It's a derivative, secondary field, a sometimes parasitic growth that
> likes
>
> to think it controls its host by analyzing and intellectualizing its
> host's
>
> behavior."
>
>
>
> "Literature people are sometimes puzzled by the hatred many creative
> writers
>
> have for them.  Art historians
> can't understand the venom either.  He
>
> supposed the same was true with musicologists but he didn't know enough
>
> about them.  But
> philosophologists don't have this problem at all because
>
> the philosophers who would normally condemn them are a null-class. They
>
> don't exist.  Philosophologists,
> calling themselves philosophers, are just
>
> about all there are."
>
>
>
> "You can imagine the ridiculousness of an art historian taking his
> students
>
> to museums, having them write a thesis on some historical or technical
>
> aspect of what they see there, and after a few years of this giving
> them
>
> degrees that say they are accomplished artists.  They've never held a brush
>
> or a mallet and chisel in their hands.
> All they know is art history.
>
> Yet, ridiculous as it sounds, this is exactly what happens in the
>
> philosophology that calls itself philosophy." (LILA, Chapter 26)
>
>
>
>
>
>>Liked the haiku [of Carl's]:
>
> "breathtaking beauty
> beheld in a passing glance
> once captured is lost"
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> I did too.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ant
>
>
> .
>
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