[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ

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Hi Ant,
Thank you for your comments, and I am glad that I am "getting there".
Although I am not quite sure where you have in mind.  If you mean
"thinking like you", then I take that as a compliment.

I only found one question that requires an answer in your comments:

Mark previously:
Yes, Pirsig wrote some good stuff, but none of it was new by any means.

Ant McWatt comments:

Not putting values ahead of subjects and objects in the empirical
train of events wasn't a new idea?
Then adding in LILA that these values are evolving and can be ordered
in a moral framework?

Where else have you read those two particular ideas (pre-Pirsig)?

Mark:
Well perhaps I can provide you with some education here.  I would
recommend you read Thomas Acquinas for some ideas of what has been
done before within the moral framework.  Then perhaps some of the
sutas from Buddhism, which Pirsig draws heavily from.

I am not sure if you are familiar with Husserl, or if you have read
his works and dismiss him as not relevant.  Before him there was David
Hume of course, which you must have covered in your Ph.D.

Let us not forget Parmenides and all those guys.  Pythagorus draws
heavily from Egyptian alchemy.  And then there is the emeral tablet.

We can discuss each of these things at length if you do not see the
context they provide Pirsig for his "new interpretation".  I would be
most happy to share this knowledge with you if you are sincere.

But perhaps I misread what you are saying by your question.  If you
could explain the following statement to me so that I can respond
correctly I would appreciate it (humor me):

"Not putting values ahead of subjects and objects in the empirical
train of events"

Also, what exactly do you mean by "evolving".  If you are using the
standard biological definition, then species evolve in response to
environmental pressures.  What would the pressures for the evolution
of value be?  This would seem to tend towards the religious.  Perhaps
you mean something else by "evolving".  Please clarify.

Thanks again,
Mark

Cheers,
Mark


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