[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ

[Andre]

Marsha to Andre:

It is always possible we have misinterpreted each other.

Andre:
Possibly. But how can one 'misinterpret':

"I have pondered and sought to find an intrinsically existing self, but have consistently found only a flow of bits and pieces of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value patterns."

My question simply is: WHO 'found' all those patterns and TO WHOM do they arise?

For goodness' sake Marsha. There is nothing shameful about admitting you have a 'self', an 'ego'. Most, if not all wisdom philosophies place as the 'breakthrough' to whatever their conceptions of 'awakening' are as 'overcoming the ego'. In their vernacular 'transcending' the ego. The ego or the self is a normal development in growing up. Their point is: growing up doesn't end with a fully fledged developed ego/self. Once 'transcended' then the fun really starts.

But you must have an ego/self to start with before you can 'transcend' it. I really fail to understand why you are so reluctant to admit that you have one. As the MOQ argues, you are those patterns.(and please don't bore me with the 'conventional' stuff routine). I mean, didn't Gautama, or Christ, or Lao Tsu, or Eckhart or Krishnamurti have an 'ego'? My hunch is that they did have one and theirs was a pretty powerful one too. Otherwise we would never have heard of them.

Sigh.