[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ

[Andre]

Marsha to Andre:

I am not presenting any statements about meditation or zazen, which I consider and experience as a different set of techniques/practices.

There are many different types of meditation.  I use primarily two:  concentration on breath and watching thoughts pass through mind without attachment.

Andre:
And now you are arguing that different techniques give you different results when it comes to the contemplative and the absorption techniques/practices? There are subtle differences but not as obvious as you claim. But hey! Think that you have lost yourself! Keep on floating up with the daisies. You keep telling me: "I insist there is to I!" well then Marsha...be my guest. But keep it to yourself!

Only stipulation is that it is unwise to argue from there that, in Pirsig's MOQ, DQ and sq are one and the same thing. This, as far as the MOQ as a static intellectual pattern of value is concerned, is not a helpful move.

Marsha:
Should we trade bibliographies?

Andre:
You asked for quotes and I suggested some reading. I did not mean to impress you or anything. Not take away from the reading you, obviously, have done for yourself. I was only suggesting that most of not all wisdom traditions do not support your claim. That is all. And I do not need to explain to you then one of the differences between Hinayana and Mahayana teachings.

Be happy.