[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ

[Andre]

Marsha to Andre:

Is this a pronouncement from you as an expert?

The MOQ, like the Buddhists and the Determinists (odd bedfellows) says this ?autonomous individual? is an illusion."
     (RMP, Copleston)

The fundamental nature of sq is DQ.

I was looking for you to present some proof that your interpretation of an 'I' being present in mindfulness, within the perennial philosophic tradition, had some validity.

It's not up to me to make the case for you, one way or another; and your "suggesting" is not enough to make the case that you are correct.

I have been describing my own experience of mindfulness, which hasn't been based on any specific tradition.

Andre:
I have lined up your responses Marsha and reach the conclusion that this can go on for ever and ever and I have no inclination of continuing this. My reasoning? Very simple. You will not be persuaded or convinced or in any reasonable way accept what I have to say. You want five pages of footnotes after every sentence I utter and still you will not be accepting. Bottom line for you will be that it is just my opinion. It makes me feel tired because the effort I have put in constructing my responses are not taken seriously.

You drag up the 'autonomous' individual again, the DQ is none other than sq, The "I" not being there for you, my suggestions are not good enough, and your experience not being based on any specific tradition. All these things we hear over and over again and always leaving a way out for you, especially when seriously considering your last point. So you can always slither out of it because you are not 'in' it. (Do you actually consider yourself part of the human race?)

My suggestions are based on my fairly extensive reading, conversing with like minded people and my own experience.
  
Logical refutation you do not accept. Throw 'sand in the bull's eyes' by continuously questioning the competence of the speaker? Yes, you do. What you are doing, perhaps inadvertently, is setting up the notion that you indeed consider yourself to be an autonomous, independent self."Nobody tells me what to do". "It's my reality, my experience so fuck off".

So I withdraw from the arena. It is rather useless. As I said  before, this is turning into a childish yes/no, hide and seek game. I ain't playing anymore Lucy. You are not being reasonable.