[MD] humpty dumpty

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Very philosophical of you dmb.  But I have come to expect that from
you.  Kind of childish don't you think?

I did not read anything reasonable from you.  There was just a bunch
of hand-waving.  Dogma is when somebody recites scriptures from a
book, as if such is the Truth.  I was asking you for your opinion,
thinking that you may have one.   I do not think you answered my
questions.  No answers expected; philosophy is not for the faint of
heart, it requires a degree of critical thinking.

Mark

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark said:
> My question to dmb, however, was more basic than that.  Why does Pirsig find it to be necessary to present metaphysics of Quality using the four levels?  What is fundamental about MoQ that necessitates this? I was hoping he would provide some insight into some fundamental arguments of Quality.  Are levels essential to create a metaphysics based on Quality?  Are there not some fundamental parameters which better describe it?
> Later, Mark said:
> Yes, he [Pirsig] does say this, and thereby creates parameters by which Quality can be understood.  What I was asking for was dmb's understanding of Pirsig's ideas, not what he wrote. Is he [dmb] suggesting that this should be accepted as dogma and not be questioned?  ..However this leaves for little discussion. .., if Quality is both source and substance, then we are really not saying anything. ...I do not believe this is what Pirsig is saying at all.  ...What is important is what Pirsig means by this.  Does the group have any ideas here.  If Quality is everything, and, what makes everything, what does that say to you?  Perhaps we could discuss some ideas here of what Pirsig means. ...One of the problems with getting dogmatic with MoQ is that one can only frame the vast possibilities of Quality in a single manner.  This creates the cage that Pirsig warns us of.
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> dmb says:
> Mark, you've clearly demonstrates that being reasonable with you doesn't help. You ask for answers to basic, fundamental questions and then dismiss the answers as dogma, as a dangerous cage. You agree what Pirsig says in one sentence and deny it a few sentences later.
>
> You're just being a flake as some kind of long-standing practical joke or you're hopelessly incompetent. Either way, talking to you is a waste of time.
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