[MD] Good Mystic, Good Mystic

[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

Gee, I've been thinking of considering 'hypothetical' an analogy, an analogy all the way down: not this, not that!  BUT maybe this is to hold a Dynamic position and a static position at the same time - to be  i-n-s-a-n-e.  OR maybe Paul Turner will offer a better explanation through his two-thesis position.  I like my two-ways of looking at static (patterned) value, but I am very open to 'considering' what PT has to offer.


Cheerfully yours,

Marsha




On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:06 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> I fully understand.  As a scientist I also treat everything as hypothetical.  That is the scientific method.  I interpret what I envision in the most useful manner knowing that interpretations always change.
> 
> My suggestion was to hold your hypothetical as hypothetical.  You will not always consider your view as hypothetical.  It is the most useful to you right now.  This too shall pass.
> 
> Enjoy your hypothetical, it will get you beyond it.  There is nothing I can tell you, you need to create it on your own.  Just treat what I write as hypothetical, if that works for you.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:51 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I am not insisting, nor even suggesting, that you, or David, adopt my position, but I find holding patterns as hypothetical is conducive to an open, inquiring mind.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 9:54 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> I am glad you find freedom in uncertainty.  "Holding patterns as
>>> hypothetical" AS hypothetical, suggests that you can move away from
>>> that form of understanding.  The way to move away would be to NOT hold
>>> patterns as hypothetical.  However, there is an alternative as
>>> presented in my second paragraph.  At the root of your statement is
>>> the indication that a degree of uncertainty is necessary to progress.
>>> However, even uncertainty would become hypothetical bringing in the
>>> possibility of certainty.  While this idea may seem like a paradox
>>> (which it is), it can be very revealing upon contemplation.
>>> 
>>> By questioning the very basis of your knowledge, you imply that there
>>> is the "non-hypothetical".  This would follow since "the hypothetical"
>>> suggests that there is the "non-hypothetical" (in order for the terms
>>> "hypothetical" to mean something).  Where you then find yourself is
>>> interesting and can become a basis for an appreciation of existence.
>>> By your technique, one can turn away from the idea of coming in
>>> contact with such "non-hypothetical", and turn instead to the
>>> "creative notion" of existence.  This would entail surmising that
>>> there is no "non-hypothetical" and instead the appreciation of
>>> existence as creative.  When we create a painting, it replaces the
>>> "nothing" that was once there.  The same can be said for each moment
>>> of existence.  Quality "seeps through" in every instant resulting in
>>> an entirely "new thing" at each moment.
>>> 
>>> Pondering on existence in this fashion can also bring about great
>>> freedom.  It also places a degree of personal responsibility on what
>>> one creates at every moment.  Since most of one's existence is without
>>> forethought, one then can "realize" that one is"tapping into" a much
>>> deeper region of one's ability.  This region can be denoted as DQ.
>>> That we "realize things does not mean that we come in contact with
>>> something that we have found, but that we have created it.  This would
>>> bring in the idealist notion of "the world as idea".
>>> 
>>> Hope this makes sense, but probably not.  At least I tried.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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