[MD] Good Mystic, Bad Mystic.

[MarshaV]

Awww dmb,

How sad you took the Baudelaire/genius quote I presented as anything but poking fun at myself, and poking fun at your constant complaint that I am contradictory.  Didn't you see the quote was companied by a smiley-face?   I'll try to keep the humor and laughter down in the future.


Marsha 





On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:00 AM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Marsha said to dmb:
> There is no contradiction and nothing for me to defend.
> 
> 
> dmb says:
> If that's what you think, then you do not understand the problem. 
> Your views are contradictory in several different ways. Your views contradict the MOQ. Your sentences are often contradictory, usually because your use of the operative terms is contradictory. 
> 
> Your apparent inability to respond or otherwise deal with the substance of these criticisms also tells me that you do not understand the problem. 
> 
> All this is, no doubt, due to your "genius".
> 
> That's okay. At least other people can see what I mean. 
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:42 AM, MarshaV wrote:
> 
>> dmb,
>> 
>> I explained that the quote you presented (see below) was NOT something I wrote.  That disposed of your mythical contradiction.  Besides I didn't state that 'truth' was wrong, or bad or didn't exist.  I wrote that I find the idea of 'truth' insignificant and uninteresting, and preferred to call static patterns of value 'patterns' and consider them hypothetical.  Further, I am not insisting, nor even suggesting, that you, or anyone, adopt my position, though I find holding patterns as hypothetical is conducive to an open, inquiring mind.  I'll once again present the reasons for my choice:
>> 
>> Truth is an intellectual static pattern of value, but I have nothing to say about 'truth'. Rather than label static patterns of value as 'truth', I prefer to think of objects of knowledge (patterns) as hypothetical.  Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily real or true.)  By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of a tendency toward intellectual arrogance.  Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption.  It moves one away from thinking of entities as existing inherently and independent of consciousness. 
>> 
>> There is no contradiction and nothing for me to defend.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:12 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi dmb,
>>> 
>>>> "I value the MOQ's idea that the world in nothing but value (DQ/sq): there is nothing additional called static intellectual value."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This was not a quote from moi.  I wrote:
>>> 
>>> "I value the MoQ's idea that the world is nothing but Value (DQ/sq); there is nothing additional called 'truth'.
>>> 
>>> Truth is an intellectual static pattern of value, but I have nothing to say about 'truth'. Rather than label static patterns of value as 'truth', I prefer to think of objects of knowledge (patterns) as hypothetical.  Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily real or true.)  By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of a tendency toward intellectual arrogance.  Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption.  It moves one away from thinking of entities as existing inherently and independent of consciousness. 
>>> 
>>> Static patterns of value are repetitive processes, conditionally co-dependent, impermanent and ever-changing, that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.  Within the MoQ, these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, evolutionary, hierarchical structure:  inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns. Patterns have no independent, inherent existence.  Further, these patterns pragmatically exist relative to an individual's static pattern of life history.
>>> 
>>> Dynamic Quality is not divisible, not definable and not knowable, though it can be experienced.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>>