[MD] Good Mystic, Bad Mystic.

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Marsha,

I am unwilling to view DQ as nothing.  Indefinable is not in the same
ballpark as nothing.  In  DQ/SQ metaphysics words are SQ.  DQ is experience
prior to words. I guess you can call DQ individualized, but when logic
becomes nothing communication is irrelevant.  I prefer to embrace evolution
so that logic has meaning.  This is not that.  I agree, though, that
individuality is a nightmare.  I am alone!

Joe



On 8/27/12 12:34 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> hypothetic (adjective)l:  supposed but not neccesarily real or true
> 
> sq  = pattern, which I prefer to consider hypothetical
> 
> 
> 
> I experienced DQ as nothing at all; I experience sq patterns as repetitive
> processes, conditionally co-dependent, impermanent and ever-changing, that
> pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern.
> 
> 
> View 1.)  MoQ = Reality = Value(DQ/sq)
> View 2.)  MoQ = theory, intellectual static pattern of value
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
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> On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>> Hypothesis: an unproved scientific conclusion drawn from known facts and
>> used as a basis for further investigation or experimentation.
>> 
>> DQ is indefinable and not subject to any proof by logical investigation.
>> 
>> With the conception of DQ/SQ metaphysics, Pirsig redefines "hypothesis".
>> Quality is converted from an adjective to an indefinable noun.  Logic cannot
>> verify any definition of quality.
>> 
>> Only metaphysics can identify quality.  Knowable experience supplants the
>> hypothesis of quality reality.  I experience indefinable DQ and definable
>> SQ.
>> 
>> Joe  
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/26/12 12:53 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I prefer to think of objects of knowledge (patterns) as hypothetical.  Once
>>> one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but
>>> Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the
>>> natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold
>>> all
>>> static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily
>>> real
>>> or true.)  By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of a tendency
>>> toward
>>> intellectual arrogance.  Understanding static (patterned) value as
>>> hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room
>>> for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an attitude of
>>> fearless curiosity: gumption.  It moves one away from thinking of entities
>>> as
>>> existing inherently and independent of consciousness.
>> 
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