[MD] truth, again

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Hi Marsha,
Do you know what they value?  It seems to me you are applying an intellectual construct on these levels.  As such, you are operating within the intellectual level.  We must be careful not to make our projections more than they are, or we fall into the fallacy of the "Ghost of Reason"

Cheers,


Mark

On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:19 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> Hi Mark, 
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> I better add that within the MoQ static patterns (objects of knowledge) may be ranked by what they value: inorganic, biological, social or intellectual.  
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> Marsha 
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> On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:40 AM, MarshaV wrote:
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> Hi Mark,
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> For me the MoQ is ontologically indeterminate (DQ), and epistemologically relativistic (sq), though "we can perceive some [patterns] to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result our history and current patterns of values."  
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> Marsha 
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> On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:09 AM, 118 wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
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>> Yes, this is the Western approach.  Everything must be
>> compartmentalized.  Thank you Aristotle!?
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>> Ontology/epistemology can be analogized to DQ/SQ.
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>> If we view knowledge as that which we create, which is appropriate to
>> MoQ (see "ghosts of reason"), then the limits of knowledge are without
>> boundary.  The nature is the human spirit (DQ), the method is logic,
>> and the origin is Quality (DQ/SQ).
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>> This is how Quality is used to provide answers.  Pirsig, of course,
>> has many such examples, which is what Lila is all about.  It is a
>> shame that some see Lila as a manifesto of some sort.  The examples
>> are just that, not to be taken as "truth".  Lila teaches how to use
>> Quality to solve problems.  It was never meant as dogma, Pirsig is too
>> smart for that.  However, we get the preachers who read from the "good
>> book" and tell us all to obey what is written.  There was a prophet
>> about 600 years after Christ who said the same thing.
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>> I am sure that Pirsig is more than a little disappointed at the turn
>> Quality has taken.  He is probably also a bit ashamed at where this
>> forum has gone.  His disciple has gone astray.  Well it happens to the
>> best of them.  His quest for fame has done exactly what he predicted
>> it would.
>> 
>> Mark
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>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:59 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>> e·pis·te·mol·o·gy
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>>> noun
>>> a branch of philosophy that investigates the origin, nature, methods, and limits of human knowledge.
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>>> If, if, if ...
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