[MD] The first cut

[David Harding]

Hi Mark and Marsha,

Mark I agree. As I see it, every person on this board and indeed every
person who is alive creatively defines DQ each and every day. We are
not some objective creatures who are able to look at each quote of
such a such a person from some Godlike perspective. We each have our
own, different, values, and it's these values which give meaning to
the words of others.

Marsha claims no originality but I think that is red herring. She is a
very unique individual with her own unique values and perspectives.
Hopefully Marsha will listen to you Mark and continue to discuss her
perspective on things and thus continue to be an active part of this
boards creative discussion.

-David

On 03/02/2012, at 4:24 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha,
> The thing of it is, that my interpretation of such quotes is different
> from yours.  This is why I ask you "what does the quote say to you?"
> I can certainly provide you with a picture from the impressionist era
> to explain what I am saying, but wouldn't you need a bit more than
> that to see what my opinion is?
>
> This quote selling simply demonstrates that you are able to google two
> words together and come up with something on the internet which
> contains both of them.  It does not provide any information beyond
> that.  I can do the same thing with Google, but so what?  It is the
> interpretation that matters, not the quote.  I think you know this and
> are just being lazy.  Either that or you are worried you will have to
> defend what you propose.
>
> Notice that in your quote below you clearly state that conditioned
> dharmas are LIKE dreams.  Why would you say that dreams would be a
> good analogy?  Seriously, what is your serious opinion?  Also would
> you say that contemplation lies outside the dream world?  Can it be
> assumed from your quote that an objective contemplation can be
> performed of conditioned dharma?  If not, then the instructions which
> you provide with this quote is a dream contemplating a dream.
> Contemplation becomes relegated to conditioned dharma, which clearly
> means that these instructions you provide are not directed at anyone
> but only at themselves.  What is your opinion on this?
>
> I could say that Reality=Cheese, and be saying the same thing you are.
> Don't you see that such a thing is total nonsense?  Try to think
> about what you present, and explain why you use these terms on both
> sides of your equation.
>
> Just a suggestion,
> Mark
>
> On 2/2/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I received a Master's degree in Library Science, not because I'm mousy and
>> like the smell of moldy books, but because I covet knowledge; 'research' is
>> my middle name.  I make no claim to original opinion, so I won't puff up my
>> posts with paraphrased regurgitation.  If I find a paper or book or quote
>> that speaks clearly to a topic, "cognative experience" and "immediate
>> experience"  (http://www.gampoabbey.org/documents/Buddhist-Steps.pdf), for
>> instance, I will offer it up for your consideration.  Certainly, you may
>> ignore or reject it.  That's not my concern, for I take the Diamond Sutra
>> quite seriously:
>>
>>   All conditioned dharmas
>>   Are like dreams, illusions, bubbles, shadows,
>>   Like dew drops and a lightning flash.
>>   Contemplate them thus.
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
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