[MD] Truth and Relativity 2.0

[MarshaV]

Greetings David,

I sense you might be frustrated by my point-of-view.  I don't know what to do about that.  My MoQ point-of-view is not something that needs to be caught in a cage and released in the wild.  And neither is it something that needs to be domesticated to perform linear-thought tricks in order to stay.  My definition of the 'self' or 'individual' within the MoQ and my definition of 'static patterns of value' represent, more and more, the better point-of-view, imho, and doesn't leave me stranded outside or locked inside of experience, but places me in the middle.  Well, in the middle when I stay mindful.  And it amazes me that my point-of-view conjures up so much animosity.  


On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:17 PM, David Harding <davidjharding at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha, 
> 
> Do you suffer? Do you experience pain in any way?

Yes, of course I sometimes suffer.  And I do sometimes experience pain, too.  I am too often caught in static patterns that are self-centered.  What about you?  Do you suffer?  Do you experience pain?  Does thinking of "static patterns of value as every thing" help?  How?


Marsha


> 
> -David.
> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> Yes, and it is also because of the continual change that there is beauty, or existence, or life, or whatever...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But why are things beautiful if they change? Why do things exist if they change? What's so important about change? Does change bring things into being? That seems to be what you're suggesting when you say "because of .. change ..there is .. existence"
>> 
>> Why? I don't know why things change. Why? I don' know why things exist. What? I don't know what is so 'important' about change. I didn't say anything about 'being', and I don't know anything that is unchanging. 
>> 
>> 
>>>> I saw the movie a long while ago. It did not have the impact of ZAMM & Quality. :-). While science may not be presently ready to distinguish between a good and bad idea, the quantum perspective will transform the subject-object world view. There are scientists who cannot help but consider the 'philosophical' implications of relativity.
>>> 
>>> Do you think everything is relative? Or do you think that some things are better than others?
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> You've setup an either/or fallacy, but I will try to answer. If by 'relative' you mean 'existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something else' my answer would be yes on both counts. I think all patterns depend upon other patterns for their existence AND I think some patterns are better than others.


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