[MD] Truth and Relativity 2.9.9

[MarshaV]

Mark,

So now you are an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent?  And now a deep conversation with yourself?  You are amazing.  



I posted these quotes because they do represent exactly my understanding, but if you cannot understand that I suggest you ignore my posts.  


Marsha 






On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:16 PM, 118 wrote:

> Yes Marsha,
> But these authors use the word in a different way than you do.  That
> is the problem.  Your use is not consistent with theirs.  Because the
> words are spelled the same way does not mean they mean the same thing.
> This is the fuzzy aspect I am referring to.  Please be more clear in
> your use of this word by following up with a well thought out
> self-created metaphysical paragraph on what you mean.  It would help
> all of us understand what you are trying to present to the group.
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> On 2/16/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> I know of no reason not to use the word 'relative'.  Your fuzzy thinking is
>> not a legitimate reason to reject the word.  The word 'relative', according
>> to the dictionary, does not have a low quality meaning.  Anthony uses the
>> word, Alan Watts uses the word, the Buddhists commonly use it; and given
>> that ZAMM has references to Zen Buddhism, and RMP was first inspired by 'The
>> Meeting of East and West' by F. S. C. Northrup and his recommendation of
>> Steve Hagen's book, 'Buddhism Plain and Simple', I think it is very
>> acceptable to use the word.  Even 'Relativism', a word I did not use, from a
>> philosophical point-of-view does not have a low quality definition.
>> 
>> Rel-a-tiv-ism
>> 
>> Noun  _philosophy_
>> The theory holding that criteria of judgements are relative, varying with
>> individuals and their environment.
>>    (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Relativism)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Feb 16, 2012, at 5:58 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> Then there is also the "relative" as in kinship or family "relation",
>>> and we should not replace "relative" with "kinship" either, unless
>>> that is what you are speaking of.  I think what you are using is
>>> definition 8, which may be appropriate.  That is happiness in regard
>>> to a person's view, or happiness stemming from a person (change
>>> "happiness" to "truth").  We exude truths, we do not live by them.
>>> That would be futile indeed.
>>> 
>>> In Western metaphysics, the word relative has specific meaning, that
>>> is, not the common everyday meaning.  Metaphysics is a form of Math as
>>> presented by Russell.  Logic must be adhered to, otherwise it is "just
>>> whatever you want it to be".  Words are operators in logic.  A fuzzy
>>> word is not too useful, as you can tell from the firestorm.
>>> 
>>> As you know from mindfulness, things do not have to be considered in
>>> relation to other things.  The divide between such things is a false
>>> divide that stems from the SO view of the world.  Here in MoQ we
>>> understand that.  It is the nature of what creates the appearance of
>>> such separation that we are interested in.  That, of course, is
>>> Quality.  Everything we can put into sq has qualities, and MoQ is an
>>> sq ghost of Quality.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the clafification in what you meant. (?).
>>> 
>>> I am on your side whether you like it or not.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On 2/16/12, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> The definition of 'relative' (see 6.) contains the word relation, but
>>>> that
>>>> does not mean it should be replaced by the word relationalism.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> relative
>>>> 
>>>> noun
>>>> 1. a person who is connected with another or others by blood or marriage.
>>>> 2. something having, or standing in, some relation to something else.
>>>> 3. something dependent upon external conditions for its specific nature,
>>>> size, etc. ( opposed to absolute).
>>>> 4. Grammar . a relative pronoun, adjective, or adverb.
>>>> 
>>>> adjective
>>>> 5. considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative
>>>> merits of democracy and monarchy.
>>>> 6. existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something
>>>> else; not absolute or independent:  Happiness is relative.
>>>> 7. having relation or connection.
>>>> 8. having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually followed by
>>>> to
>>>> ): to determine the facts relative to an accident.
>>>> 9. correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand.
>>>> 10. (of a term, name, etc.) depending for significance upon something
>>>> else:
>>>> “Better” is a relative term.
>>>> 
>>>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relative)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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